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JustC
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I appreciate your candor my friend. I beleive we disagreed the first time we met (HCT) and eventually ended up finding that we were on the same page. I think it was a home defense and range to target issue. I don't disagree that any M1A design is poor. I have shot several of the norinco's and they were fine. I just extended an example that I saw for myself, you know how one thing can get blown all out of proportion on the web and 100 people later, the story changes. Kind of like the SA that blew up, but upon researching, it was determined to be the barrel and gunsmiths fault. I didn't say they junk in any way what so ever, however, some of our members beleive that just because they own one of something, it automaticaly makes it the high quality item they PERCEIVE it to be. I apologize if I misled you with my post, it was meant to be non-biased, just some real world info to help a fellow shooter make a decision.
I see the guy who had the M1A several times a year. When I see him next, I will ask if he still has the NIB one he offered me, and if he does, I will start a thread addressed to you for your e-mail, and arrange a transfer to your FFL. Always glad to help someone in the sport get something they want.
P.S. I have a lot of questions about different M1A's and their performance. I have been torn between several configurations and have put off my purchase until I am sure I know which is right for me. I would enjoy picking your brain if you have the time. Thanks
When in doubt...empty the magazine!!
Edited by - JustC on 04/25/2002 11:44:52
I see the guy who had the M1A several times a year. When I see him next, I will ask if he still has the NIB one he offered me, and if he does, I will start a thread addressed to you for your e-mail, and arrange a transfer to your FFL. Always glad to help someone in the sport get something they want.
P.S. I have a lot of questions about different M1A's and their performance. I have been torn between several configurations and have put off my purchase until I am sure I know which is right for me. I would enjoy picking your brain if you have the time. Thanks
When in doubt...empty the magazine!!
Edited by - JustC on 04/25/2002 11:44:52
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I presented my views, as you did yours in a civil manner.
I always thought it was funny the first one to slam the Nor/Poly line was a company that makes it money mainly on the SA.
NO GUTS, NO GLORY
I am still trying to figure out the best way to have one built or purchased for what I do. I would like to use it for some of my crop damage shoots. I would like to push it out to 400yds if it will produce enough accuracy to be ethical. Scoped of course. thanks.
As before, I appreciate your "all B.S. aside" approach, even when we at first,are of different,(not opposite) opinions.
When in doubt...empty the magazine!!
400 yards? That is what you can expect out of a stock M1A easily.
My modified gun has a heavier stock, free floated bedded hart barrel, adjustable match trigger, SNM sights....and it is around 12 pounds.
I am just wondering if looking at a Savage, Remingtom or winchester in heavy barrel might not be your answer.
For a SA M1A, used you will start at around 1100 and end up in the new gun prices for the NM or higher at 2500.00+.
The Loaded model will do what you want it to do.
My Polytech i had built, I paid 400.0 for the gun NIB and then proceeded to put out 800.00 to build a Hi-Power match gun.
The stock one I have I paid a little over 500.00 for it...no changes except for the SA scope mount.
My SA Loaded I paid 1300.00 for a couple of years ago.
The biggest difference to my naked eye is the SA stock is better looking. The china one is not finished as fine.
NO GUTS, NO GLORY
Do you like the synthetic stocks any more or less?
Is it better to go for a NM right from the start?
What if any modifications or tuning would have to be done to a NM to get, say........a 4-5" group at 400yds? Or are they already capable of less?
I want it to be predictable enough to be able to count on it like I can can count on the bolt guns at distance. Nothing I hate more than wounding game and not making a clean shot.
Thanks again.
When in doubt...empty the magazine!!
{The wood is pretty, weather does not change the aiming point on a synthetis}
Is it better to go for a NM right from the start?
{Hard call. A M1A with a tuned trigger and a bedded stock will do what you want. My loaded will run slightly over that at the distance you are looking at.}
What if any modifications or tuning would have to be done to a NM to get, say........a 4-5" group at 400yds? Or are they already capable of less?
{Already capable of that.}
I want it to be predictable enough to be able to count on it like I can can count on the bolt guns at distance. Nothing I hate more than wounding game and not making a clean shot.
{The rules for making a semi perform are really the same ones you used for your bolts.}
The adage of all guns not being the same holds true. My Poly's being a good starting point...the first one I got at 300 yards shot a pie plate pattern, hence the hart barrel. The second one held at the 2 1/2-3 inch, the SA did the same.
Have you thought about the Garand?? You can get into one for less money and the mods for the 1A works on this rifle also.
I have heard of this "tuning" work. What all does that mean? I know they do some headspacing, gas assembly work, bedding, floating, etc. Just what does your gunsmith do to them to get them "tweaked"?
What does the gunsmith labor usually run for this type of work?
have you seen the White Feather edition of the M1A? It has a trigger that's adjustable to I think 1 1/2 lbs up to 4lbs. I called SA and they told me that within the next year or two, it would be available for sale, (just the trigger). I would love to think I could get an M1A, military type gun, and put a trigger in it that would be almost like my bolt guns. Just thought I would tell you about that in case you were interested for your long distance set up.
When in doubt...empty the magazine!!
Check out some of these auctions: 3796501,3807256,3787598(book),3808011.
As far as the trigger, check Brownells, adjustable triggers are already out there. That is one of the first changes, get rid of the two stage mil trigger.
The "tweaking" rules are the same for a semi and your bolts, basically. The most important thing, to me, is the bolt locking up the same everytime,which is why most long range rifles are bolt actions.
Most gun shows seems to have someone selling the book listed in that auction...well worth the money and time to read it.
NO GUTS, NO GLORY
When in doubt...empty the magazine!!