Colt Gov't Model Calibers

Blokey

What calibers were full-size Colt Gov't Models offered in commercially? I came up with:.22LR (Ace)9mm Luger9mm Steyr9x23 Win..38 Super.38 Special Mid-Range Wadcutter (NM Mk III).40 S&W10mm Auto (Delta Elite).45 ACPAre there any others? Is it true they made some in .30 Luger many decades ago?Thanks in advance for your responses.

JudgeColt

Yes, there were some 7.65 Parabellum (.30 Luger) chamberings, and not all that long ago. I seem to recall some Commanders in the 1970s. I think they were excess from a foreign contract and only a handfull were sold domestically. There were also chamberings in the British .455 and .38AMU cartridges.[This message has been edited by JudgeColt (edited 12-22-2001).]

turbo

How about 9.8mm Auto Colt, also, 38 Colt Long,could be same as 38 super.I'm not sure? if either was offered commercially. But they are listed as go'vt issue.[This message has been edited by turbo (edited 12-22-2001).]

JudgeColt

I have never heard of a 9.8 Colt Auto cartridge. Please tell me more. As far as the .38 Colt Long, that is a rimmed revolver cartridge, and in no way resembles a .38 Super cartridge. I am quite sure the Government Model was never chambered for the .38 Colt Long.Dr. Pig, what is the cartridge designation on your "short .45ACP" Government Model?

JudgeColt

Dr. Pig, I believe you, I believe you, I believe you!If your friend still has the original barrel, please contact him or her and ask what the chambering designation says. If you can find out, please tell us.What about this 9.8mm chambering? Where did this information originate?

AntiqueDr

The 9.8mm Colt round was developed c.1912 as a potential government contract for Romania. It is not unknown on the collector ammunition market, generally with WRA headstamp.Could the .45 cartridge in question be similar to the .45 Rimless initially developed for the Model 1905?Oh, and dont forget 9mm Bergmann-Bayard on the list.

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turbo

The 38 centerfire Colt Long was the same general class as the rimfire 38 Long.It was used in Allen, Remington, Stevens and Wesson rifles of later date and Enterprise, Favorite, Forehand & Wadsworth, and Colt revolvers, original load was 150-grain outside lubricated bullet, up to 23 grains of blackpowder; loads varied with different manufactures, good load for rifle, short distance small game (80 yds), beyond that accuracy was only fair. Hasn't been made since around the end of WWI.This cartridge was military issue used in Colt Army & Navy 92 Revolvers, discontinued as gov't issue due to unsatisfactory performance in combat. It was replaced by the 38 Extra Long centerfire developed by Ballard, around 1870, which was strictly for rifles as it was to long for revolvers. A 38 Extra Long in rimfire was also made in the 1850's.As for the 9.8mm rimire may have been a small rifle cartridge only, bullet .378, case length .912, compared to the 38 Colt Long shows a case length of 1.03, certainly was within the range of revolver cartridges.Unfortunately I don't have any more pertinent info. as to what firearms these were used in.

ATF

Norwegian Trial Model 1911 Colt was 11.25 M/M300 mfg.with C prefix in 1913 & 1914 only also Norwegian Model 1912 11.25 M/M Mfg. under license from Colt 1917-1919 M1912 slide designation approx.500 Mfg.

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ATF

ATF

The .45 you guys are wondering about. I belive CDNN had some of those a few years ago it was.45ACP something ?

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ATF

JudgeColt

ATF, I did not mention the 11.25mm because that is the same cartridge as the .45ACP, but now I realize it belongs on the list because a Norwegian trial pistol would be so marked. Thanks for adding to the list.