Target Pistol????

Kadaver

ok.....i was planning on buying a ruger p-89 in the near future but while scoping out the rugers i wandered over to the .22s. I have always wanted a ruger .22 auto pistol. so now im planning on getting a competition slab slide instead of the 9mm.....so my question.....where can i find high quality parts to accurize the pistol....in particular1.) wider trigger with adjustable stop2.) new springs to lessen the trigger pull3.) possibly more balanced grips4.) and perhaps some other things (hammer)please list the web sites.....Thanks for all references!!~kaddy

beachmaster73

Buy an old High Standard military model 22LR and get all those qualities right out of the box! Just remember Captain McMillian won the Olympic Gold in 1960 with a stock High Standard. Beach

Rembrandt

Check out this site for Ruger target extras... www.volquartsen.com Personally, I favor the Smith & Wesson model 41 as a .22 target pistol... [This message has been edited by Rembrandt (edited 12-23-2001).]

JudgeColt

If you want to make a silk purse out of a sow's ear, the Ruger is a good place to start. My friend Tom Volquartsen has hundreds of accessories with which to do that. Brownell's also carries Tom's line, and has other brand accessories as well. I agree with the other posters that a premium High Standard or a Smith & Wesson M41 are better pistols, and they have collector value as well as shooter value. I have a High Standard M102 Trophy (circa 1958) with the 10-inch barrel and I have never shot anything that can shoot with it. I also have an early M41 (circa 1959) and it is a close second. Tied for second is my Colt Match Target First Model (the "Bullseye"). It is amazing for a 60-year-old pistol. By the time you add all the accessories to a Ruger, you probably could have bought something better. Unless you are going to be a competition shooter, why bother? A stock Ruger target pistol shoots better than I can (which I concede may not mean much!). I have a 10-inch stainless that is a blast to shoot. If you do not want to go with one of the premium pistols mentioned, I would say start there and see how you like it stock.

rick_reno

The parts you want to buy to accurize your Ruger are as follows - early (Hamden) High Standard frame, early High Standard barrel and early High Standard magazine. If you're hell bent on buying a Ruger - Gil Hebard sells a Clark Custom Ruger for about $740 where accuracy of 1.25 inches at 50 yards is guaranteed. He's also got the already mentioned S&W 41's, for about the same price.His URL is http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Dreyer_infonet/gilhebar.htm If you decide to look for a High Standard; stay clear of the new guns from Houston. Best guns are believed to be those made in Hamden; next best are those from E. Hartford.I'm not sure what you want to do with your target 22 - but other guns that are worth looking at the Baikal IJH-35 or the Sig/Hammerli Trailside.

Kadaver

its just going to be a plinker mainly....no competitions......i just want something that will be, lets say "very" accurate, like....pop cans at 50 yard.....i have looked at the high standards and they do not appeal to me......i would rather spend the extra $ on a gun that i like to accurize it rather then on one i don't like. I also plan i puttin a red dot scope of some kind on it.

rick_reno

The Ruger should suffice - but take a look at the Baikal IJH too - it comes with the scope mount. They cost under $400 and are something you could really tinker with. Info is here...unlike the Ruger this one doesn't take $'s to make shoot good, just time and some fiddling. http://home.dal.net/pcb/izh35m-comp.html and there should be some more here (just go to target pistol) http://home.dal.net/pcb/

UnclePat

Why spend all those $$ tweaking a pistol? Get yourself a S&W Model 41 and you will have an Olympic grade competition pistol. Comes pre-drilled for Weaver rails. You can't go wrong with this one.

luger01

Another route you may want to consider is to buy a .22 conversion unit for one of your pistols. There are several manufacturers who make high quality conversion kits for 1911s, Glocks, etc.I have a new upper ordered from JA Ciener for my 1911. Reports I have say it is as accurate as most target quality .22LR pistols.

smooth_operator

Luger is right on the money....get a MARVEL conversion for your 1911. I almost cant believe the groups that these kits are producing "phenomenal". Another advantage of this is that you are training with the same ergonomics of a 1911 (if you have one). They are a little pricey, but defenitely worth it from what they provide.just my $.02-smooth

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v35

I bought a 6-7/8" barrelled Ruger MK1 Target model in the late 50s and did a trigger job with trigger stop. It has a 35 ounce letoff and accuracy is better than I can hold. There's no objective reason to have to change any parts except for appearance. Its' chrome plated trigger admittedly looks cheesy but is functional.Ruger got the grip angle and circumference perfect for my hand and apparently right for a whole lot of other hands.With both sights mounted on the same rigid surface, the gun is potentially more accurate than High Standard and others having rear sights on the slide.

v35

I bought a 6-7/8" barrelled Ruger MK1 Target model in the late 50s and did a trigger job with trigger stop. It has a 35 ounce letoff and accuracy is better than I can hold. There's no objective reason to have to change any parts except for appearance. Its' chrome plated trigger admittedly looks cheesy but is functional.Ruger got the grip angle and circumference perfect for my hand and apparently right for a whole lot of other hands.With both sights mounted on the same rigid surface, the gun is potentially more accurate than High Standard and others having rear sights on the slide.I got my $57.50s worth.

Kadaver

each to his own i guess.....i still prefer the look and feel of the ruger......

rick_reno

V35 posted "With both sights mounted on the same rigid surface, the gun is potentially more accurate than High Standard and others having rear sights on the slide."I suppose if "potentially more accurate" is what wins in competition - we'd see the Ruger at the top of the list consistently. It must be that the potentail of these guns isn't being realized - but I can assure it's not because people aren't trying.. It isn't in the same class as guns who don't have the "rigid surface" such as the Hammerli 208's and High Standards for various reasons. It also doesn't cost what these accurate 22 pistols cost. I've got guys that shoot these things beside me every week; they're a fun gun and can be made to shoot good with some work and money - but they aren't generally competitive out of the box.The Clark gun attempts to make the Ruger competitive by substituting a different barrel, sear pin, hammer bushing, trigger with over travel stop, polished throat, tuned extractor and the sights have been removed and a scope base mounted. Most samples I've seen have also replaced the grips. I suppose it still uses an original Ruger magazine...Again - I think they're fun guns, but let's not assume they're something other than that.Kadaver likes them, he should buy one. I almost bought one Friday - I saw it for $150 and I think I could have gotten for a little less. Kadaver - here's Jim Clark's web page. He's got a bunch of parts/services for that gun. http://www.clarkcustomguns.com/headMKII.htm

beachmaster73

V35....I don't know what model High Standard to which you are referring but my late ML military model and Model 106 both have the sights firmly planted on the frame. The slide recoils underneath and through them but never touches the sight. I too had an early Model Ruger with the 5 inch bull barrel and found it an adequate pistol capable of excellent performance. The nice thing about the High Standard military pistols is that the grip is cut to the same angle as the 1911 Colt and the weight is darn near the same as the Colt. So if you are a Colt shooter it's pretty easy to go from one weapon back to the other. I've looked at some of those .22 1911 conversion kits for the .45 while I was at the matches at Camp Perry and I have to say those conversion kits delivered truly superb accuracy if you can believe the groups that they displayed on "Commercial Row". And I did believe.....I just wondered that since my Caspian has a special matched slide for my frame I wondered about using another non matched slide riding up and down the frame. Beach

rg666

I would consider the Smith & Wesson model 22S. Excellent shooter right out of the box. No big alterations needed & it has the scope rail if you want to add one. RG

v35

Hey guys, Kadaver wants an accurate 22 plinker and likes the Ruger Mk2. Why try to convince him to buy a Lamborghini ?

tideman

Kadaver, Check out.....galleryofguns.comLook at the Ruger model 22/45 with the 8" Bull barrel slab side. They call it the "Great Eight". It's a good shooter, it's inexpensive and it's fun. That's what this is all about. Plus it's predrilled for a scope mount AND... Ruger has a $20.00 mail in rebate going on until the end of the year.Have fun no matter what plinker you purchase.Tideman

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JudgeColt

We have about beat this to death, but I just have to add that the rear sight on my old High Standard M102 "Space Gun" is mounted on the barrel, not on the slide. I agree we have all gotten away from the original post question, but when I saw the comment about getting a High Standard or M41, I just had to put in my $.02 worth on two of my favorite guns. I can certainly understand that Kadaver may not want to spend big bucks for an early High Standard or Smith M41. Some people enjoy trying to upgrade a standard Ruger into a target pistol. My friend Tom Volquartsen builds premium Rugers with guaranteed accuracy, but they cost MORE than a Smith M41. In the end, Kadaver should get what he or she wants and keep UPS in business bringing all the stuff you can buy for it from Brownells and the like.

Fast Draw

i like my Buckmark 239 bucks and its good and reliable.

SSG ZAG

Forget these guys, I recently bought a 10"MKII, put on a red dot, and tweaked it with stuff off ontargetguns.com. It shoots awesome groups and didn't cost an arm or leg. Try it.

22WRF

Take good look at a Buckmark before you decide. The price is right and the quality is excellent.

Rembrandt

Can't believe this has gotten so many responses with out being locked out.....

Kadaver

neither can i.....