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jonk--8 x 56

ledbelly52734ledbelly52734 Member Posts: 19 ✭✭
edited February 2002 in Ask the Experts
i pulled a bullet from an 8 x 50 1916 comm. the diameter is 0.323. i have a lyman mold--125gr pl. bs that mikes as cast at 0.329. most [in my opinion] lyman molds are slightly oversize. i need some feedback from anyone about 8 x 50 + 56 thanks guys
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  • HerschelHerschel Member Posts: 2,035 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    The 8 X 56 was a cartridge that was used in few rifles other than the Mannlicher-Schoenauer. I don't recall if the bullets for it were J size (.318) or S size (.323). I have had little experience in casting bullets but it is my understanding that they are cast oversized and are to be run through a sizing die to get the exact diameter.
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  • jonkjonk Member Posts: 10,121
    edited November -1
    We're not talking about a Mannlicher Schoenaur here, rather a Steyr-Mannlicher.My Lee mould, ostensibly .323, produces a .326 bullet and needs resizing, though my one Mauser has such a worn bore it slugs to .325 so I don't resize.I'm going to slug the bore of the Mannlicher today and will post results.
    "...hit your enemy in the belly, and kick him when he is down, and boil his prisoners in oil- if you take any- and torture his women and children. Then people will keep clear of you..." -Admiral of the Fleet Lord Fisher, speaking at the Hague Peace Conference in 1899.
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  • v35v35 Member Posts: 12,710 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Suspect you've been shooting undersized bullets.
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  • HerschelHerschel Member Posts: 2,035 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    jonk, The only 8 X 56 listed in Cartridges of the World is the 8 X 56 MS. It seems that I have heard of an 8 X 56R. Is the cartridge for your rifle rimmed?
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  • jonkjonk Member Posts: 10,121
    edited November -1
    Yes, we are dealing with a rimmed round here, and my edition of Cartridges of the World does include this cartridge. It shouldn't be confused with the 8X56 MS.
    "...hit your enemy in the belly, and kick him when he is down, and boil his prisoners in oil- if you take any- and torture his women and children. Then people will keep clear of you..." -Admiral of the Fleet Lord Fisher, speaking at the Hague Peace Conference in 1899.
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  • ledbelly52734ledbelly52734 Member Posts: 19 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    HERSCHEL: mine is an 8 x 50 rimmed for hungarian or austrian cartridge. the confusion, at least for me, is that germany did open up the hungarian model to 8 x 56 rimmed. i couldn't readily find my Cartridges of the World. i did find my Book of Rifles by W.H.B. Smith. mine is marked:M.95 Budapest. mine is the 'carbine style' with [ironically] all matching numbers. it uses the austrian 8mm mannlicher model 1893 cartridge. listed as 0.323 diam. bullet at 244gr. the odd thing is that the bore is listed 0.315 and groove diameter at 0.329. i miked a 1916 comm. rnd.--0.323, oal 1.98" so this info is why i am/was confused. thanks to all those who responded.
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  • ledbelly52734ledbelly52734 Member Posts: 19 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    this should put this issue to bed--at least for me. the 8 x 50R when first introduced was a black powder cartridge. to prevent raising pressures, the bullet was .323 and the bore .329. i will bet that the spec. drawings never changed when it became a smokeless round. the 8 x 56R was never used by german troops, so why would they care about bore size. the 8 x 56R was used to foil partisans and guerilla fighters from getting ammo for the old weapons.
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