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pre-ban ruger 10-22

billythekidbillythekid Member Posts: 12 ✭✭
edited February 2002 in Ask the Experts
i am looking for a pre-ban ruger 10-22 so that i can put a after market folding stock on it. i have been told thta it has to be mad brfore the year 1995. is that true? if so how can you tell if when it was mad, and last but not least what is fair value for one in good condition?thanks for your helpBrett Beshey
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  • AntiqueDrAntiqueDr Member Posts: 691 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    It makes no difference when a 10-22 was made. In it's factory configuration, the 10-22 is not an assault rifle, regardless if it was made in 1982 or 2002.Attaching a folding stock with a pistol grip to ANY 10/22 that was not already in that configuration prior to 1994 would constitute manufacturing an assault weapon, and would be illegal.There will be responders who ask "how is ATF going to know?" and they might have a point. It's your call on that one.
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  • Mr. LoboMr. Lobo Member Posts: 538 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    SaxonPig, I believe that you can put "assult" ascessories on a gun you just need to limit the number of items to two or three. Pistol grip, high capacity mag, folding stock ...
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  • boeboeboeboe Member Posts: 3,331
    edited November -1
    If the gun already had the ability to accept detatchable magazines and had two of the five qualifiers prior to the ban, it would already be a federally legal assault weapon, and you can change the configuration of that assault weapon by adding more qualifying features. If it had a folding stock and pistol grip, you could add a bayonet lug and flash hider. If it had a bayonet lug and flash hider, you could add a folding stock.If it was already an assault weapon prior to the ban, it can't be made any more an assault weapon by changing the configuration. There are no different degrees of assault weapon.If you took an assault weapon (one that already had two qualifiers) and added one, two or three additional qualifiers to it, how could you be manufacturing an assault weapon? It already was one.If you read Section 922, nowhere does it say you can't change the configuration of an existing assault weapon (per-ban weapon). If forbid the manufacture of new assault weapons (except for LEO, Military). If you find anywhere in 922 where it forbids changing the configuration of an existing grandfathered assault weapon, please show me where it is. If a semi-auto rifle has the ability to accept detatchable magazines and possesses any two of:(1)Bayonet lug(2)Pistol grip(3)Grenade launcher(4)Folding or collapsable stock(5)Flash Hider or threaded barrel to accept a flash hider.It is an assault rifle regardless of any list it may or may not be on. If a Ruger 10/22 had any two of the five qualifiers prior to the 9/94 ban, it would be a grandfathered assault rifle. It is a felony to take any such rifle that was not configured as an assault weapon prior to the '94 ban and add two or more of those five features to it. Because that would be manufacturing an assault rifle. Now, let me try to explain this. If you had a semi-auto rifle that had the ability to take detatchable magazines, and already possessed two of the five qualifiers, could you turn it into an assault rifle by adding more of the features on the list?NO! BECAUSE IT ALREADY IS AN ASSAULT RIFLE![This message has been edited by boeboe (edited 02-11-2002).]
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  • AntiqueDrAntiqueDr Member Posts: 691 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Pssst. Boeboe...The guy is looking for a 10/22 to modify with a folding stock. He is apparently under the assumption that any 10/22 made prior to the ban is OK, when it is not.A 10/22 takes detachable magazines. It cannot have two 'evil features' unless it had two prior to the ban. Every folding stock I've seen has a prominent pistol grip. Ergo, you cannot attach one of these stocks to an otherwise unmodified 10/22 regardless what year the gun was made.Perhaps he can find a 10/22 made prior to 9/94 that already had a flash hider and bayonet lug but still is in the wood stock... but I doubt it.
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  • boeboeboeboe Member Posts: 3,331
    edited November -1
    AntiqueDr,Yes, I'm now becoming aware of that as I read his posts. Ya know, I've never seen a 10/22 with a bayonet lug but I guess anything's possible. I've seen a contraption that's called a "GLS" for a 10/22, stands for "Grenade Launching System" and as I recall, is suppose to double as a flash hider and grenade launcher. I don't think I'd want to try to shoot a grenade with a .22 blank. How far you suppose it would go, 20, maybe 30 feet?Actually, I think it was intended to shoot pop cans. But maybe it's the thought that counts.I suppose it's possible someone put one of those on their 10/22 and kept the full wood stock prior to the ban....nah, never mind....This subject does make me think it would be good to have a lasting archive people with these same questions could be referred to with one easy copy and paste. I don't know how many people have asked questions about their pre-ban Mini-14, 10/22, MAK-90, SKS with folding stock and detatchable mags, etc, etc.[This message has been edited by boeboe (edited 02-13-2002).]
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