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Pistol Cleaning

SixStringerSixStringer Member Posts: 131 ✭✭✭
edited May 2002 in Ask the Experts
I just got my Kahr E9, and I fired it for the first time. However, I had several mis-fires which leads me to think I didnt oil it properly. Due to this I quit shooting early :(. Where do I oil it, how heavy should I be, and where should I avoid getting oil. I ask this question to Kahr owners, because I know every pistol is different.
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  • ref44ref44 Member Posts: 251 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I always lightly oil the rails on the slide and frame where they contact as the gun cycles. Based on my experience, misfires are unlikely to be caused by failure to oil properly.
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  • leeblackmanleeblackman Member Posts: 5,303 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    You know, sounds to me like its just going thru its break-in period. I find that alot of semi auto guns usually have a few malfunctions in the first 50-80rds fired, and then no more. Its just certain friction bearing surfaces mating, and till they work themselves out, you have a few jams. Its quite normal really. One of the only guns I didn't have this problem with was my Glock, and I think that the Fel-Pro (The copper stuff) they put on the slide from the factory had something to do with that.

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  • flatdogflatdog Member Posts: 201 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:
    I just got my Kahr E9, and I fired it for the first time. However, I had several mis-fires which leads me to think I didnt oil it properly. Due to this I quit shooting early :(. Where do I oil it, how heavy should I be, and where should I avoid getting oil. I ask this question to Kahr owners, because I know every pistol is different.

    Hey sixstringer,

    Your Kahr is just going through a normal breakin period. This is from pg. #9 of "Operating Instructions for Khar Pistols."

    Break-In-Period
    The Kahr Pistol must run through an initial break-in period before achieving fully reliable feeding and functioning. The pistol should not be considered fully reliable until after it has fired 200 rounds."

    Cleaning& Lubrication pg. # 12 same manual
    "Before the initial shooting of the new Kahr it should be cleaned...
    Once cleaned,all parts should be lightly lubricated with a commercial gun lubricant."

    Make sure you put some on the contact points between the frame and slide. This works on my Lady K9.

    flatdog out.
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  • 110110 Member Posts: 125 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    The places to oil are anywhere where you have two pieces of metal contacting surfaces. An example of this would be where the barrell contacts the upper part of the slide, where the barrell contacts the frame, the recoil spring, and the slide rails and frame rails. I have found in my opinion Break Free to be the best lubricant to protect against friction, but I've seen several threads here get out of hand when picking the best lube, so use you'r best judgement.
    On another note, the gun is new and the recoil spring might be a little stiff so you might want to consider running a few +p rounds through it. This has been known to loosen up recoil srings, or you can do it the hard way and rack the slide several hundred times. I would consult your owners manual or contact a Kar rep to find out if you gun is capable of firing +P rounds. I'm sure it will be fine but better safe than sorry.
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  • lazywallruslazywallrus Member Posts: 119 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    When I read this ,I called my friend who has a K9 which he uses for his daily carry gun . He told me when he cleans it all he does is spray it out with Mpro7 , runs an oil patch through the barrel, then wipes everything else off with a cloth sprayed with rem oil, and then a drop of oil on the rails. Thats it. He said he never has had a problem with it no matter what kind of ammo he puts through it , but that he only shoots new ammo. He added that he even shoots wolf ammo with no problem.


    So aslong as you didnt get some bad ammo, I would take it in and have it checked . that pistol shouldnt malfunction, no matter how it is oiled.
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  • mballaimballai Member Posts: 1,280 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I really do wonder about a gun that doesn't work right from the start. Other than a fresh drop or two of oil if the gun is dry, they should work correctly. I can understand a trigger smoothing with use, but reliable function? While I wouldn't trust a gun until I shot it some just to be sure, I'm not much on leaving it to the user to do a reliability job on a gun even if it just means firing it. I wasn't much on Kahr, now I'm even less so.

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  • SixStringerSixStringer Member Posts: 131 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I think I used the wrong Vocab. It didnt misfire, it didnt cock. Which makes me think that the slide was getting hung up because the gun wasnt lubed well enough. (Ive heard of this happening with new guns before.) I oiled my gun before I used it, but apparently not well enough. What my concern is while oiling is, is their any place I need to avoid getting oil? Also, is it bad to leave it too wet?
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  • flatdogflatdog Member Posts: 201 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    sixstringer:
    your Kahr cocks on the reward travel of the slide. it's starting to sound like a lube problem during the brake-in phase. even if the slide goes into battery but doesn't travel fully to the rear the pistol remains uncocked. read the part in your manual about how it functions. i'm not the best typer in the world, it would take to long to copy it. you'd prob. have another b-day before i got thru. don't let this little thing put you off Kahr or any other semi-auto brand for that matter. all things mechanical require a break-in period before they function properly.keep track of the # of rounds fired. i bet you will be able to see an improvement in functioning the closer you get to 200 rounds. mine did the same thing then everything smoothed out and it doesn't stutter anymore. i would not recommend standing in front of the muzzle in hopes of a malfunction!
    it might not be popular to say so but, revolvers can and do malfunction right out of the box. this is fact not conjecture. 200 rounds thru your weapon w/0 a stoppage of ANY SORT with the ammnuition you intend to use is mandatory before you bet your life on it's performance.

    flatdog out.
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  • SixStringerSixStringer Member Posts: 131 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Excellent. Thats what I was trying to get confirmed. On a sceond note, when cleaning and lubeing do I have to avoid getting oil in any particular place?
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  • leeblackmanleeblackman Member Posts: 5,303 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    I'd say avoid getting any excess oil in the firing pin well. If anything, all you'd want is a slight film. It would be the absolute worst place for any buildup to occur, mainly because of how the firing pin protrusion has to be between very slight tolerances. To much lubrication could cause buildup in the cavity, causing the firing pin to travel slower and possibly strike to soft causing a misfire.

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  • NighthawkNighthawk Member Posts: 12,022 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    The maintenance section in your owners manual should show you where to oil. Your gun probably is just going through the break in period. And again it is really important to clean it good when you first buy it, as the factory uses grease on the guns for long term storage. I have seen alot of people purchase guns then run a patch of solvent through the barrel and hit the range. And when there guns fail to function they wonder why. Hope this can be of help to you.

    Good Luck.

    Rugster
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  • SixStringerSixStringer Member Posts: 131 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    My owners manuel says "follow the instructions on the the oil bottle." Orelse I wouldnt have asked.
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