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Bert H.

joeaf1911a1joeaf1911a1 Member Posts: 3,340
edited November 2005 in Ask the Experts
According to your Winchester 1894 thread http://forums.GunBroker.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=245213, the last Model 1894 made in that year was serial #1674.

Ironically, it's for sale on the auction side: http://www.GunBroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=338175100

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I just thought you might be interested in seeing it.

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  • joeaf1911a1joeaf1911a1 Member Posts: 3,340
    edited November -1
    Would like to get DOM of '92 Winchester serial number 7762
    Thank you
    wwllvet
  • joeaf1911a1joeaf1911a1 Member Posts: 3,340
    edited November -1
    Hi Bert, Me again, I have acquired another 1892 Winchester, serial number 65. What can you tell me about it?
    Also I think maybe I should get a copy of you book.

    Bob
  • joeaf1911a1joeaf1911a1 Member Posts: 3,340
    edited November -1
    Bert; I have acquired another 1892 Winchester and would like to get as much information as posible on it.
    The serial number is 3895

    Thank you
  • joeaf1911a1joeaf1911a1 Member Posts: 3,340
    edited November -1
    Hello Bert.
    When you have some free time
    could you date a Winchester 94-30/30
    for me --ser no. 2114763
    Thank you so much
    Ron
  • joeaf1911a1joeaf1911a1 Member Posts: 3,340
    edited November -1
    Bert; I have another 1892 Winchester serial number 3895. Could you give me the manufacture date?

    Vet.
  • joeaf1911a1joeaf1911a1 Member Posts: 3,340
    edited November -1
    Bert,Please read the post "Winchester 94 SRC w/ A5 Scope: factory original?" I told this guy you could help him out?
    Thanks [:)]

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  • joeaf1911a1joeaf1911a1 Member Posts: 3,340
    edited November -1
    I stupidly rebarreled a possible 1890 Winchester pump many years ago
    instead of relining it. Machined down a Marlin barrel, dovetailed it,
    etc. It has a serial # 190997. Believe it had a oct. barrel before.
    A fairly beat gun but useable. Was it a 1890? Also have a '06 Winc.
    # 726201 in good shooting condition which I use continually. Are any
    barrels (original) left for the older one, even in poor condition?
    Would like to restore the old one back near original even with relining.
  • joeaf1911a1joeaf1911a1 Member Posts: 3,340
    edited November -1
    Bert, got the Wollensak 4x mounted on the .32-40 (went on like it was made for it [^] ), 165grn FN mold in hand, dies and brass in route.
    Two questions:
    I've never owned or used a external adjustment scope like this, anything I need to know about adjustments, maintenance, etc?

    What is the working chamber pressure for this rifle?
    ( Still waiting on those pet loads [:)] )

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  • joeaf1911a1joeaf1911a1 Member Posts: 3,340
    edited November -1
    1873 32-20 389142B
    1885 25-20 67876
    1886 45-70 137478
    1892 38-40 95409
    1892 38-40 7580
    1892 38-20 20046
    1892 38-40 51802

    Bert,

    Could you please give me the manufacture dates on these Winchesters.

    Thank you,
    Robert Reeves
  • joeaf1911a1joeaf1911a1 Member Posts: 3,340
    edited November -1
    I was told that you can appraise and verify old trapdoor rifles.
    What is involved with that.[?] I am asking because i have one that i think could be 7th calvary.
  • joeaf1911a1joeaf1911a1 Member Posts: 3,340
    edited November -1
    Whats does a Pre 64 model 94 Winchester go for these days.

    Local dealer has one that i would say is in 60%+ condition. No rust or pitting, But a lot of blue wear around the reciever. Serial dates it 1955.

    He wants around 500 for it. Is this a good deal.
  • joeaf1911a1joeaf1911a1 Member Posts: 3,340
    edited November -1
    Was nice to meet you at the gunshow---did you get a chance to go look at the Winchester pump .22 display in the back--there was also a gentleman back there who had a few Ballards & Winchester 1885's. Thought it was a great show-loved all the WW2 guns.
  • joeaf1911a1joeaf1911a1 Member Posts: 3,340
    edited November -1
    It was my extreme pleasure to meet Bert at the Puyallup WA Gun Show this past week end.

    He is like talking to a live Winchester encyclopedia. I learned more in the brief time we had together about 1885's than I have in my entire life. What a fine gentleman, and so willing to share his hard earned knowledge with others.

    My hat is off to him and the other experts who contribute to this terrific site. I learn something every time I log on to it.

    Keep up the great work!!!
  • joeaf1911a1joeaf1911a1 Member Posts: 3,340
    edited November -1
    Do you know where I can get some nice photo's of the winchester double set triggers as found on the early model 94's. I have a 1894 rifle in 32-40, full octagon barrel with a broken set trigger. The serial number on the gun is 287X. I have all the set trigger minus the broken arch. I think I can make the needed part but need a photo to compare against. I think this rifle will be a hoot to shoot. Thank you for any help you may be able to provide. My email is, [email protected]
  • joeaf1911a1joeaf1911a1 Member Posts: 3,340
    edited November -1
    What do you think of this?

    http://forums.gunbroker.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=345336

    Edited to add link. (DUH)
  • joeaf1911a1joeaf1911a1 Member Posts: 3,340
    edited November -1
    If the info in this auction is true, then why is this gun not in a museum somewhere?
    http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=82828130
  • joeaf1911a1joeaf1911a1 Member Posts: 3,340
    edited November -1
    At what point in your life did you decide to collect and research Winchesters. Also, what factor influenced you to do it?
  • joeaf1911a1joeaf1911a1 Member Posts: 3,340
    edited November -1
    Bert,

    Sorry I couldn't get over to your table at the Gun Show due to a last hour flurry of business.

    Looking forward to getting a copy of your Winchester book with great anticipation.
  • joeaf1911a1joeaf1911a1 Member Posts: 3,340
    edited November -1
    thanks for the info, will not bother you again. eastbank
  • joeaf1911a1joeaf1911a1 Member Posts: 3,340
    edited November -1
    Bert, please send me info to order ypur book on winchesters.
    orobelle at aol.com
  • joeaf1911a1joeaf1911a1 Member Posts: 3,340
    edited November -1
    Winchester Mod. 94 Serial no. 875182. 26" round barrel, Straight grip, with shotgun style butt plate. Info needed. DOB etc. Thanks.
  • joeaf1911a1joeaf1911a1 Member Posts: 3,340
    edited November -1
    Hi Bert. I posted some pictures of Henry Rifles awhile ago, and I just wanted to let you know that I sold one of them. I haven't pursued anything on the Navy Colts with consecutive serial numbers yet. Get too busy and time just slips by. I think I'm interested in starting to part with some of my collection. I have quite a few Winchesters and many Army and Navy Colts. Any info you could give me would be very much appreciated.
  • joeaf1911a1joeaf1911a1 Member Posts: 3,340
    edited November -1
    Bert,can you Please give me the DOB of a Winchester Mod. 88 .308 cal.with Clover Leaf Tang, Ser #45879.
    Thank You
  • joeaf1911a1joeaf1911a1 Member Posts: 3,340
    edited November -1
    After seen yor sig. I was wondering if you knew wow I can get a ballard or a High Wall for a cheeper price? I can't aford an original, or a reproduction NIB. Can I build one for less money?
  • joeaf1911a1joeaf1911a1 Member Posts: 3,340
    edited November -1
    Bert; Question regaurding Winchester 1892 serial # 23701. Would appreciate any info you can provide.

    Vet.
  • joeaf1911a1joeaf1911a1 Member Posts: 3,340
    edited November -1
    What can you tell me about the three Winchesters listed here?

    Model 1892 in .38 WCF S/N 7580

    Model 1892 in .38 WCF S/N 51802

    Model 97 in 12 ga. S/N E 737190

    any info will be greatly appreciated.

    Not as Lean, Not as Mean, but still a MARINE.

    For GOD and COUNTRY

    Vet
  • joeaf1911a1joeaf1911a1 Member Posts: 3,340
    edited November -1
    What is a good shape 30" full choke pre 64 model 37 winchester
    12 guage worth?





    bert im guessing you are awinchester man.
  • Bert H.Bert H. Member, Moderator Posts: 11,274 ******
    edited November -1
    Hello Joe,

    If it had an octagon barrel, it was a Second Model 1890. The Model 1906 was only made with a round barrel. Original Model 1890 barrels can be found, but the vast majority of them have poor bores (which is no problem if you intend to reline it). The first thing that you will need to determine before finding a replacement barrel, is which specific .22 rimfire cartridge it originally chambered for. The cartridge carrier on the Model 1890 was made for a specific cartridge only (e.g. 22 Short, or 22 Long, or 22 WRF only), and it will not function properly with other size catridges. I am curious which cartridge you shot in it after rebarreling it?

    Model 1890 serial number 190997 can be researched through the Cody Firearms Museum - http://www.bbhc.org/firearms/records.cfm. A factory letter will tell you exactly when it was made (approximately 1904), and which cartridge it was originally chambered for. At the time it was produced, Winchester only made them in 22 Short, 22 Long, and 22 WRF (the 22 Long Rifle was not introduced in the Model 1890 until 1917).

    Bert H.

    Real Men use a WINCHESTER Single-Shot!
  • wundudneewundudnee Member Posts: 6,010 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    You regularly see model 1890 barrels on that dreaded e-place site. There are some difference in barrel adresses from early to late production. However if you get the right chambering that wouldn't affect function, only originality. The last patent date stamped on them is 1911 and that was a change on the magazine tube to a lugged end. But even well used barrels seem to be commanding a pretty good price. Bert was probably about right on the 1904 production date.

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  • joeaf1911a1joeaf1911a1 Member Posts: 3,340
    edited November -1
    Bert H : Now you got me thinking. First of all it does not have a curved buttplate. Tried a mix of .22 short, longs and L.R's through the
    action and it fed them o.k.. So maybe its another 1906 and not a 1890.
    Besides, it aint in the greatest shape, usable but "pretty well used and
    then some". Possibly at todays prices for these parts, maybe I should just "part it out". Now the other one, a 1906 is a great rifle which shortly will go to my grandson.
  • Bert H.Bert H. Member, Moderator Posts: 11,274 ******
    edited November -1
    Hello Joe,

    If it feeds all three of the standard .22 rimfire cartridges with no problems, it was either originally a Model 1906, or someone installed a 1906 cartridge carrier in a Model 1890 receiver. Does it have visible locking lugs cut into the frame? Is there a "B" under the serial number? Regardless, I suspect that it is a Model 1906 (based on the butt plate, and the cartridge carrier). An original barrel can be found with diligence to restore it to some semblance of originality.

    Bert H.

    Real Men use a WINCHESTER Single-Shot!
  • joeaf1911a1joeaf1911a1 Member Posts: 3,340
    edited November -1
    Many thanks Bert H: Now I have to do some thinking about the best course to follow.. I appreciate all the info.
  • Bert H.Bert H. Member, Moderator Posts: 11,274 ******
    edited November -1
    You are quite welcome Joe, and the best of luck with rebuilding that old Winnie[^]

    Bert H.

    Real Men use a WINCHESTER Single-Shot!
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