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Winchester 1890

lbrodlbrod Member Posts: 16 ✭✭
edited February 2002 in Ask the Experts
What version is Winchester 1890 ser 301795, 2nd or 3rd?
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  • lbrodlbrod Member Posts: 16 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Does anyone know where I can get the complete breakdown instructions for the Winchester 1890 pump .22 rifle. Also I beleive that I saw a recipe for stripping nickel plating on one of these boards some time ago. Does anyone know what it is. Thanks
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  • lbrodlbrod Member Posts: 16 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Looking for some information on a Winchester 1890 22 Short serial 739xx, year made and what it might be worth. I would put it at ~75%
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  • lbrodlbrod Member Posts: 16 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    I have a Win. mod 1890. 22 short. It's rec. is fully engraved with a deer in a circle on one side and scroll work throughout the rest of it. It has a checkerd rear stock and a nickle inlay with initials in the heel of it. Fully nickle trimmed including the butt plate. The barrel is blue. The ser # is76XX The overall condition is about 97-98%.Never touched or restored. Does anyone know the approx. value of this 22? Also it has a proof mark that is a circle in a circle on the bottom of the front of the receiver. Thanks for any help.Len
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  • lbrodlbrod Member Posts: 16 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Can you suggest a commercial source to acquire a box of 100 #10-36 X.342 or longer plug screws. This screw is used in Winchester 1890 where it is known as the Peep Sight Plug Screw.
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  • lbrodlbrod Member Posts: 16 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    I think i know the answer to this but wanted some expert advise.
    i just got a winchester marked on the tang model 1890 serial #233777
    has the crescent butt plate,2 small screws on the bolt top,screw adjustable rear sight,5 1/4" forearm with 12 grooves.
    Now is the thing the barrel is 23" and stamped 62a s,l,lr.
    i'm presumeing someone swapped barrels,or is there a slight chance it was remaining parts from the factory? im sure some of you will know thanks in advance kevin
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  • lbrodlbrod Member Posts: 16 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    I have an 1890 WRF winchester deluxe model with checkered pistole grip stock.Serial#dates it as a 1910 model.? On the under side of barrel it is machined for two different length magizines.It is an octagon barrel.Is this a common feature on this model?Would apperciate any help here.
    Thanks John Hunter Ariz.
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  • lbrodlbrod Member Posts: 16 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Hello

    I have bought an old 1890 in pretty good shape (.22 short). I have two issues with it:

    1) the pump does not cycle (pull back) unless the gun is level horizonatally. Is this some sort of safety device or is there a problem?

    2) The gun hangs up on occasion. There is a significant amount of wear and mangling around the opening to the chamber, although the gun is otherwise very tight and in good condition. What does this mean? (if anything)

    Can anyone help here?

    thanks

    Jim
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  • lbrodlbrod Member Posts: 16 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Wish to find a source of information explaining the mechanical functions of parts, in detail, during the operation of this rifle. Will greatly appreciate knowing of available reference. Thanks for your help - please address to jclane40@yahoo.com

    Dr. J. Curtis Lane
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  • talontalon Member Posts: 150 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Can't help with the value: depending upon who did the engraving, and nickling it could be worth quite a bit(more than $1200). As to the "proof mark": Winchester used a 'c' within a circle as an inspection mark. The circle was 5/32" and the 'c' 3/32nds" (there was also a very fine dot in the dead center of the circle). Could the circle within a circle actually be this "c"?
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  • wundudneewundudnee Member Posts: 6,105 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I am having heart palpitations right now just thinking about your gun. If it is indeed a four digit serial # it was made in early 1891 and is a solid frame (non-takedown) gun. Solid frame 1890's in just average standard configuration bring very high dollars. A special order nickel,engraved gun would be extremely rare and valuable if it hasn't been redone.Winchester didn't proof mark their 22's until 1908 and then it was on top of the receiver and the barrel.You should definitly try to get a professional opinion on your gun. Perhaps even contact the Cody, Wy. museum to try to authenticate it. Until you do all this keep it locked up real tight and don't tell me where you live!!! What would you take for it today?wundudnee P.S. I think I will go throw rocks at my 1890's now.
    "If stupidity got us into this mess, then why can't it get us out?" Will Rogers
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  • groundhog devastationgroundhog devastation Member Posts: 4,495
    edited November -1
    wundudnee, Don't leave us with that weak heart!! Thanks for the info from back in December on my 1890. If anyone ever asks me about 1890 Win., I'll tell them to get on Gunbroker and find wundudnee, h'll steer you in the right direction.. I found out mine was worth about 800. It will pass down thru the decendants of "groundhog devastation" and will have a curse on it if ever sold out of family!!!!!
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  • lbrodlbrod Member Posts: 16 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    I tried to post before but it didn't go through. I said I have a letter from Winchester before Cody handled the letters. Winchester stated the gun left the factory nickle trimmed, engraved, checkerd with a nickle inlay in rear stock with initials (XX). They also attributed the engraving to Ulrich although there's no records of the engravers name. I submitted 6 black and white pictures with my inquiry
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  • talontalon Member Posts: 150 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Are you serious? Why didn't you say so in the first place? Each of these "new" facts make more than a world of difference. Now, someone will have to send an ambulance to wundudnee's place!!
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  • wundudneewundudnee Member Posts: 6,105 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    ARGHHHHH!!! I'll be alright, uh huh, uh huh. It was only the holy grail. Seriously, I don,t know how you could ever put a value on that gun. They say that out of 15,000 solid frames there were only 40 half nickeled and that doesn,t even take the engraving and the deluxe features into the equation. There are some collectors that could afford it at any price. So I suppose if a guy had to get rid of something like that it could be put on a high end auction house and let the big dogs run. P.S. 110 years old and 90+ % jeeezzz
    "If stupidity got us into this mess, then why can't it get us out?" Will Rogers[This message has been edited by wundudnee (edited 02-17-2002).]
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  • lbrodlbrod Member Posts: 16 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Thanks guys for the replys! I think wundedne came up with the same conclusion as me. I can't find something for sale or sold to compare it to. I collected Winchesters most of my life (58). I would only buy 98% or better. Things were not so expensive then!!The 1890 I thought was pretty expensive @ $175.00 although the guy wanted $200.00 for it. It has a pretty good humerous story behind my finding it. I wanted to teach my daughter to shoot, so I went to my local gun shop looking for a "90". I was told he didn't have any but, look through his garbage because someone wanted to sell one but, had scratching on the "chamber". I didn't care much so went through his garbage and found his letter. I contacted the guy and called. He said he did have it and the price is $200 and a 22 cal. handgun for home security. The same day a friend let me borrow a 22 browning auto pistol. I took it along to trade. I arrived at this farmers house in Penna. He had this "90" hanging over his fireplace mantle with about a 1/4 in. dust and grime covering it. I saw it and started to sweat profusily. Not wanting to appear to anxious I had to make a lower offer saying someone "butcherd" the rifle....He agreed and we made a deal @ $175.00.... I had trouble driving home due to nerviousness!! The guy I borrowed the Brownig is still mad at me for "selling" his pistol!Thanks guys! for all the info....PS. I did buy him another pistol to replace the one I bargained with. There probably is still some bargains out there...keep looking!!Regards,Len
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  • wundudneewundudnee Member Posts: 6,105 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    If you haven't seen a copy of Ned Schwing's book Winchester Slide Action 22's Vol. 1 you should try to. It's a very good reference. In the middle of the book there are several pages of nickel, silver, gold washed engraved guns. There is also a case colored solid frame serial # 7728 that belongs to Cody museum. It also has the names in there of a lot of the major collectors that you might contact about your gun.You should have tried to get that guy down to $150.00 Take care of it, it was good to get a sensation.
    "If stupidity got us into this mess, then why can't it get us out?" Will Rogers
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  • lbrodlbrod Member Posts: 16 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Never heard of of the book.....But now I will own one soon...Thanks for the advise!!
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