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Shipping mags to Ohio?
Waco Waltz
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I read where pro mag will not ship mags over 30 rds to Ohio. Does this mean mags with 30rd or less are ok?
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This is from Pro Mag's website where I think you read this first:
State Magazine Capacity Restrictions
Listed here are state laws restricting the sale of certain high-capacity magazines. These are state laws, sometimes there are county or city laws with stricter restrictions. It is your responsibility to be or become familiar with local gun laws.
California: We do not ship, sell, or offer for sale any magazines over 10 rounds to anyone in California or anyone using a billing address in the state of California.
Hawaii: We do not ship, sell, or offer for sale any magazines over 10 rounds that may fit a handgun to anyone in Hawaii or anyone using a billing address in the state of Hawaii.
Illinois: We do not ship, sell, or offer for sale any magazines over 12 rounds to anyone in Chicago, IL or anyone using a billing address in Chicago, IL. We do not ship, sell, or offer for sale any magazines over 15 rounds to anyone in Aurora, IL or anyone using a billing address in Aurora, IL.
Maryland: We do not ship, sell, or offer for sale any magazines over 20 rounds to anyone in Maryland or anyone using a billing address in the state of Maryland.
Massachusetts: We do not ship, sell, or offer for sale any magazines over 10 rounds to anyone in Massachusetts or anyone using a billing address in the state of Massachusetts.
New Jersey: We do not ship, sell, or offer for sale any magazines over 15 rounds to anyone in New Jersey or anyone using a billing address in the state of New Jersey.
New York: We do not ship, sell, or offer for sale any magazines over 7 rounds to anyone in New York or anyone using a billing address in the state of New York.
Ohio: We do not ship, sell, or offer for sale any magazines over 30 rounds to anyone in Ohio or anyone using a billing address in the state of Ohio.
I think it would behoove you to read up on the Ohio restrictions and then the county and local restrictions just to be sure.
Here is an example of what I'm saying:
Ohio - Cincinnati - Handguns Maximum 15 round capacity
Ohio - Cincinnati - Rifles Maximum 10 round capacity
Ohio - Cincinnati - Shotguns Maximum 5 round capacity
Ohio - Cleveland - Maximum 20 round capacity
Ohio - Dayton - Handguns Maximum 20 round capacity
Ohio - Dayton - Rifles Maximum 10 round capacity
Ohio - Dayton - Shotguns Maximum 6 round capacity
Ohio - Dunlin - Maximum 10 round capacity
Ohio - Shaker Heights - Maximum 10 round capacity
Ohio - Toledo - Maximum 10 round capacity
Here is the law as written:
11/23/2012
Ohio Legislation
Ohio Politics
BFA News
Education
by Sean Maloney
Buckeye Firearms Association was once again asked, "What is the magazine capacity limit pertaining to firearms in the State of Ohio?"
This question was fueled by the unconstitutional ordinance that is still on the books in Cincinnati, Ohio, which caused a national retailer of firearms magazines to refuse to ship legally purchased magazines to a customer in Cincinnati.
So that there is no confusion related to Ohio law on the subject of "magazine capacity," I have provided the following analysis.
The relevant portion of the City of Cincinnati Ordinance provides:
Sec. 708-37. - Possession or Sale of Semiautomatic Firearms Prohibited.
(a) No person shall sell, deliver, rent, lease, offer, or display for sale, or transfer ownership of, acquire or possess a semiautomatic firearm.
(b) No person shall sell, deliver, rent, lease, offer or display for sale, or transfer ownership of, acquire or possess any detachable magazine with the following capacities:
(1) More than ten rifle or carbine rounds;
(2) More than five shotgun rounds;
(3) More than 15 handgun rounds...."
(C.M.C. 708-37; ordained by Ord. No. 380-1989, eff. Sept. 27, (1989)
The controlling law on magazine capacity, Ohio Revised Code ?2923.11(E), Weapons control definitions provides:
"'Automatic firearm' means any firearm designed or specially adapted to fire a succession of cartridges with a single function of the trigger. 'Automatic firearm' also means any semi-automatic firearm designed or specially adapted to fire more than thirty-one cartridges without reloading, other than a firearm chambering only .22 caliber short, long, or long-rifle cartridges." Id.
Accordingly, the maximum legal magazine capacity "everywhere" in the State of Ohio is thirty (30). A thirty round magazine, plus one in the chamber of the firearm, will legally limit the semi-automatic firearm to fire a maximum of "thirty-one" cartridges.
(Note: It is not illegal to own or possess magazines with capacity greater than 30 rounds; so long as they are kept separate and apart from a firearm designed to accept it. The magazine only violates Ohio law once the magazine is inserted into the firearm, "adapting" the firearm to fire more than thirty-one cartridges without reloading.)
On March 14, 2007, the Ohio Legislature, recognizing that absent a uniform law throughout the state, law-abiding gun owners would face a confusing patchwork of licensing requirements, possession restrictions, and criminal penalties as they travel from one jurisdiction to another, enacted Ohio Revised Code ? 9.68. Right to bear arms - challenge to law, also known as Ohio's "preemption law." See
Cleveland v. State, 128 Ohio St. 3d 135, 146.
The Constitutionality of ORC ?9.68 is well settled and has been upheld by the Ohio Supreme Court in Ohioans for Concealed Carry, Inc. v. Clyde, 120 Ohio St.3d 96, (2008); as well as, most recently in Cleveland v. State, 128 Ohio St.3d135, (2010).
Application of O.R.C. ? 9.68(A) renders the City of Cincinnati ordinance and any other ordinance or statute enacted in Ohio contrary to Ohio Revised Code ?2923.11(E) unconstitutional.
Sean Maloney is a Buckeye Firearms Association Region Leader, a Second Amendment Rights attorney in West Chester, OH, an NRA Benefactor Life Member, NRA Election Volunteer Coordinator for Ohio's 8th Congressional District, an active NRA Instructor, serves on the "Grassroots Development" committee of the National Rifle Association and received the NRA's 2011 "Jay M. Littlefield Volunteer of the Year Award."
I suggest getting an absolute answer for your area of Ohio before shipping or receiving any magazines in Ohio...
Best.
I shoot my Beta mag at our range and have had SO,s next to me ans not a word was said [;)]
Waco Waltz,
This is from Pro Mag's website where I think you read this first:
State Magazine Capacity Restrictions
Listed here are state laws restricting the sale of certain high-capacity magazines. These are state laws, sometimes there are county or city laws with stricter restrictions. It is your responsibility to be or become familiar with local gun laws.
California: We do not ship, sell, or offer for sale any magazines over 10 rounds to anyone in California or anyone using a billing address in the state of California.
Hawaii: We do not ship, sell, or offer for sale any magazines over 10 rounds that may fit a handgun to anyone in Hawaii or anyone using a billing address in the state of Hawaii.
Illinois: We do not ship, sell, or offer for sale any magazines over 12 rounds to anyone in Chicago, IL or anyone using a billing address in Chicago, IL. We do not ship, sell, or offer for sale any magazines over 15 rounds to anyone in Aurora, IL or anyone using a billing address in Aurora, IL.
Maryland: We do not ship, sell, or offer for sale any magazines over 20 rounds to anyone in Maryland or anyone using a billing address in the state of Maryland.
Massachusetts: We do not ship, sell, or offer for sale any magazines over 10 rounds to anyone in Massachusetts or anyone using a billing address in the state of Massachusetts.
New Jersey: We do not ship, sell, or offer for sale any magazines over 15 rounds to anyone in New Jersey or anyone using a billing address in the state of New Jersey.
New York: We do not ship, sell, or offer for sale any magazines over 7 rounds to anyone in New York or anyone using a billing address in the state of New York.
Ohio: We do not ship, sell, or offer for sale any magazines over 30 rounds to anyone in Ohio or anyone using a billing address in the state of Ohio.
I think it would behoove you to read up on the Ohio restrictions and then the county and local restrictions just to be sure.
Here is an example of what I'm saying:
Ohio - Cincinnati - Handguns Maximum 15 round capacity
Ohio - Cincinnati - Rifles Maximum 10 round capacity
Ohio - Cincinnati - Shotguns Maximum 5 round capacity
Ohio - Cleveland - Maximum 20 round capacity
Ohio - Dayton - Handguns Maximum 20 round capacity
Ohio - Dayton - Rifles Maximum 10 round capacity
Ohio - Dayton - Shotguns Maximum 6 round capacity
Ohio - Dunlin - Maximum 10 round capacity
Ohio - Shaker Heights - Maximum 10 round capacity
Ohio - Toledo - Maximum 10 round capacity
Here is the law as written:
11/23/2012
Ohio Legislation
Ohio Politics
BFA News
Education
by Sean Maloney
Buckeye Firearms Association was once again asked, "What is the magazine capacity limit pertaining to firearms in the State of Ohio?"
This question was fueled by the unconstitutional ordinance that is still on the books in Cincinnati, Ohio, which caused a national retailer of firearms magazines to refuse to ship legally purchased magazines to a customer in Cincinnati.
So that there is no confusion related to Ohio law on the subject of "magazine capacity," I have provided the following analysis.
The relevant portion of the City of Cincinnati Ordinance provides:
Sec. 708-37. - Possession or Sale of Semiautomatic Firearms Prohibited.
(a) No person shall sell, deliver, rent, lease, offer, or display for sale, or transfer ownership of, acquire or possess a semiautomatic firearm.
(b) No person shall sell, deliver, rent, lease, offer or display for sale, or transfer ownership of, acquire or possess any detachable magazine with the following capacities:
(1) More than ten rifle or carbine rounds;
(2) More than five shotgun rounds;
(3) More than 15 handgun rounds...."
(C.M.C. 708-37; ordained by Ord. No. 380-1989, eff. Sept. 27, (1989)
The controlling law on magazine capacity, Ohio Revised Code ?2923.11(E), Weapons control definitions provides:
"'Automatic firearm' means any firearm designed or specially adapted to fire a succession of cartridges with a single function of the trigger. 'Automatic firearm' also means any semi-automatic firearm designed or specially adapted to fire more than thirty-one cartridges without reloading, other than a firearm chambering only .22 caliber short, long, or long-rifle cartridges." Id.
Accordingly, the maximum legal magazine capacity "everywhere" in the State of Ohio is thirty (30). A thirty round magazine, plus one in the chamber of the firearm, will legally limit the semi-automatic firearm to fire a maximum of "thirty-one" cartridges.
(Note: It is not illegal to own or possess magazines with capacity greater than 30 rounds; so long as they are kept separate and apart from a firearm designed to accept it. The magazine only violates Ohio law once the magazine is inserted into the firearm, "adapting" the firearm to fire more than thirty-one cartridges without reloading.)
On March 14, 2007, the Ohio Legislature, recognizing that absent a uniform law throughout the state, law-abiding gun owners would face a confusing patchwork of licensing requirements, possession restrictions, and criminal penalties as they travel from one jurisdiction to another, enacted Ohio Revised Code ? 9.68. Right to bear arms - challenge to law, also known as Ohio's "preemption law." See
Cleveland v. State, 128 Ohio St. 3d 135, 146.
The Constitutionality of ORC ?9.68 is well settled and has been upheld by the Ohio Supreme Court in Ohioans for Concealed Carry, Inc. v. Clyde, 120 Ohio St.3d 96, (2008); as well as, most recently in Cleveland v. State, 128 Ohio St.3d135, (2010).
Application of O.R.C. ? 9.68(A) renders the City of Cincinnati ordinance and any other ordinance or statute enacted in Ohio contrary to Ohio Revised Code ?2923.11(E) unconstitutional.
Sean Maloney is a Buckeye Firearms Association Region Leader, a Second Amendment Rights attorney in West Chester, OH, an NRA Benefactor Life Member, NRA Election Volunteer Coordinator for Ohio's 8th Congressional District, an active NRA Instructor, serves on the "Grassroots Development" committee of the National Rifle Association and received the NRA's 2011 "Jay M. Littlefield Volunteer of the Year Award."
I suggest getting an absolute answer for your area of Ohio before shipping or receiving any magazines in Ohio...
Best.
Seems to be a contradiction? They won't ship any magazines that hold over 30 rds and the state law you cited says you cannot deliver (ship) rifle mags that hold over ten.
A buyer bought three 30 rd AR mags I sold and has sent payment. By my reading here I will need to send his payment back to him.
quote:Originally posted by nononsense
Waco Waltz,
This is from Pro Mag's website where I think you read this first:
State Magazine Capacity Restrictions
Listed here are state laws restricting the sale of certain high-capacity magazines. These are state laws, sometimes there are county or city laws with stricter restrictions. It is your responsibility to be or become familiar with local gun laws.
California: We do not ship, sell, or offer for sale any magazines over 10 rounds to anyone in California or anyone using a billing address in the state of California.
Hawaii: We do not ship, sell, or offer for sale any magazines over 10 rounds that may fit a handgun to anyone in Hawaii or anyone using a billing address in the state of Hawaii.
Illinois: We do not ship, sell, or offer for sale any magazines over 12 rounds to anyone in Chicago, IL or anyone using a billing address in Chicago, IL. We do not ship, sell, or offer for sale any magazines over 15 rounds to anyone in Aurora, IL or anyone using a billing address in Aurora, IL.
Maryland: We do not ship, sell, or offer for sale any magazines over 20 rounds to anyone in Maryland or anyone using a billing address in the state of Maryland.
Massachusetts: We do not ship, sell, or offer for sale any magazines over 10 rounds to anyone in Massachusetts or anyone using a billing address in the state of Massachusetts.
New Jersey: We do not ship, sell, or offer for sale any magazines over 15 rounds to anyone in New Jersey or anyone using a billing address in the state of New Jersey.
New York: We do not ship, sell, or offer for sale any magazines over 7 rounds to anyone in New York or anyone using a billing address in the state of New York.
Ohio: We do not ship, sell, or offer for sale any magazines over 30 rounds to anyone in Ohio or anyone using a billing address in the state of Ohio.
I think it would behoove you to read up on the Ohio restrictions and then the county and local restrictions just to be sure.
Here is an example of what I'm saying:
Ohio - Cincinnati - Handguns Maximum 15 round capacity
Ohio - Cincinnati - Rifles Maximum 10 round capacity
Ohio - Cincinnati - Shotguns Maximum 5 round capacity
Ohio - Cleveland - Maximum 20 round capacity
Ohio - Dayton - Handguns Maximum 20 round capacity
Ohio - Dayton - Rifles Maximum 10 round capacity
Ohio - Dayton - Shotguns Maximum 6 round capacity
Ohio - Dunlin - Maximum 10 round capacity
Ohio - Shaker Heights - Maximum 10 round capacity
Ohio - Toledo - Maximum 10 round capacity
Here is the law as written:
11/23/2012
Ohio Legislation
Ohio Politics
BFA News
Education
by Sean Maloney
Buckeye Firearms Association was once again asked, "What is the magazine capacity limit pertaining to firearms in the State of Ohio?"
This question was fueled by the unconstitutional ordinance that is still on the books in Cincinnati, Ohio, which caused a national retailer of firearms magazines to refuse to ship legally purchased magazines to a customer in Cincinnati.
So that there is no confusion related to Ohio law on the subject of "magazine capacity," I have provided the following analysis.
The relevant portion of the City of Cincinnati Ordinance provides:
Sec. 708-37. - Possession or Sale of Semiautomatic Firearms Prohibited.
(a) No person shall sell, deliver, rent, lease, offer, or display for sale, or transfer ownership of, acquire or possess a semiautomatic firearm.
(b) No person shall sell, deliver, rent, lease, offer or display for sale, or transfer ownership of, acquire or possess any detachable magazine with the following capacities:
(1) More than ten rifle or carbine rounds;
(2) More than five shotgun rounds;
(3) More than 15 handgun rounds...."
(C.M.C. 708-37; ordained by Ord. No. 380-1989, eff. Sept. 27, (1989)
The controlling law on magazine capacity, Ohio Revised Code ?2923.11(E), Weapons control definitions provides:
"'Automatic firearm' means any firearm designed or specially adapted to fire a succession of cartridges with a single function of the trigger. 'Automatic firearm' also means any semi-automatic firearm designed or specially adapted to fire more than thirty-one cartridges without reloading, other than a firearm chambering only .22 caliber short, long, or long-rifle cartridges." Id.
Accordingly, the maximum legal magazine capacity "everywhere" in the State of Ohio is thirty (30). A thirty round magazine, plus one in the chamber of the firearm, will legally limit the semi-automatic firearm to fire a maximum of "thirty-one" cartridges.
(Note: It is not illegal to own or possess magazines with capacity greater than 30 rounds; so long as they are kept separate and apart from a firearm designed to accept it. The magazine only violates Ohio law once the magazine is inserted into the firearm, "adapting" the firearm to fire more than thirty-one cartridges without reloading.)
On March 14, 2007, the Ohio Legislature, recognizing that absent a uniform law throughout the state, law-abiding gun owners would face a confusing patchwork of licensing requirements, possession restrictions, and criminal penalties as they travel from one jurisdiction to another, enacted Ohio Revised Code ? 9.68. Right to bear arms - challenge to law, also known as Ohio's "preemption law." See
Cleveland v. State, 128 Ohio St. 3d 135, 146.
The Constitutionality of ORC ?9.68 is well settled and has been upheld by the Ohio Supreme Court in Ohioans for Concealed Carry, Inc. v. Clyde, 120 Ohio St.3d 96, (2008); as well as, most recently in Cleveland v. State, 128 Ohio St.3d135, (2010).
Application of O.R.C. ? 9.68(A) renders the City of Cincinnati ordinance and any other ordinance or statute enacted in Ohio contrary to Ohio Revised Code ?2923.11(E) unconstitutional.
Sean Maloney is a Buckeye Firearms Association Region Leader, a Second Amendment Rights attorney in West Chester, OH, an NRA Benefactor Life Member, NRA Election Volunteer Coordinator for Ohio's 8th Congressional District, an active NRA Instructor, serves on the "Grassroots Development" committee of the National Rifle Association and received the NRA's 2011 "Jay M. Littlefield Volunteer of the Year Award."
I suggest getting an absolute answer for your area of Ohio before shipping or receiving any magazines in Ohio...
Best.
Seems to be a contradiction? They won't ship any magazines that hold over 30 rds and the state law you cited says you cannot deliver (ship) rifle mags that hold over ten.
A buyer bought three 30 rd AR mags I sold and has sent payment. By my reading here I will need to send his payment back to him.
How do you figure? Send him his mags. 30 round mags are sold in every store that sells anything firearm related here in Ohio.
Copied from above: Accordingly, the maximum legal magazine capacity "everywhere" in the State of Ohio is thirty (30). A thirty round magazine, plus one in the chamber of the firearm, will legally limit the semi-automatic firearm to fire a maximum of "thirty-one" cartridges.
I guess I am good.