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C&R

tsavo303tsavo303 Member Posts: 8,913 ✭✭✭
edited January 2002 in Ask the Experts
Is it hard to get a C&R permit?
Who do I contact?
What do I do?
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  • tsavo303tsavo303 Member Posts: 8,913 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Alright, I have a rifle up for auction that is C&R Eligbile, that?s all I know (it?s also a rifle btw). I do not have a C&R or FFL. If the bidders that wins has a C&R do I just ship it to them without having to send the rifle through an FFL dealer or what?
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  • tsavo303tsavo303 Member Posts: 8,913 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    what clarifies a firearm as a C&R ?
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  • tsavo303tsavo303 Member Posts: 8,913 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    A friend of mine just got his C&R. Where can you get a Bound Book? Is there anything he needs to do before using his C&R?

    -Marcus

    ****Happiness is a new gun.****
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  • tsavo303tsavo303 Member Posts: 8,913 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Can a C&R holder receive an elidgible firearm for a non licencee the same way an FFL does? Or would the C&R holder have to buy the gun and then sell it to the non licencee?

    -Marcus

    ****Happiness is a new gun.****
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  • tsavo303tsavo303 Member Posts: 8,913 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    how do i transfer a gun to a C&R liscense holder? I have a astra 900 on auction now. Does it qualify? Is a C&R transfer any different for me? How does it work?thanks
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  • tsavo303tsavo303 Member Posts: 8,913 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I am applying for a c&r liscence but I am unclear about something .Do I have to send in a fingerprint card with the application ?
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  • tsavo303tsavo303 Member Posts: 8,913 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    what do I need to do to get a C&R lesense?
    ben
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  • tsavo303tsavo303 Member Posts: 8,913 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Anybody acquainted with CR FFL process? I have forms from BATF. Should I go speak with Chief of Police (aquaintance of mine from many NRA dinners)before I begin. He does have to sign off on it anyway. I do live in that great, freedom loving state of New Jersey...only because of family and work, believe me.

    I do collect a fair amount, enjoy the older military stuff to shoot w/ my kids and would like, at some point to get into full auto. I do have addresses in NY and PA. but need to be squeaky clean and to the law as my profession requires fiduciary licensing.

    Any help, tips etc. would be greatfully appreciated.

    Merry Christmas to all![:)][?]
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  • tsavo303tsavo303 Member Posts: 8,913 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Just recently obtained my C&R, I hear everyone taling about a log book. I did not recieve any such book. I did recieve a small Card to record my firearms in in the event of theft. Is that the "record book"???

    Thanks

    Larry
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  • tsavo303tsavo303 Member Posts: 8,913 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    How do you check to see if a C&R licence is valid??
    Thanks PEZ
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  • tsavo303tsavo303 Member Posts: 8,913 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    What does Curio & relic mean? Do I have to have something special to own. I know it has to be sent to an ffl dealer first. But can i have one in my collection of toys without any type of license.Thanks for your help.
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  • tsavo303tsavo303 Member Posts: 8,913 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    im sure this has been asked many times before.but searched the archives and didn't see the answer. what type of book do you need to mantain for a c&r lincese. and do you order them from batf&e? thanks Kevin
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  • tsavo303tsavo303 Member Posts: 8,913 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Hi,

    Can a Luger frame be shipped directly to a holder of a C&R license?

    Aldo35
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  • tsavo303tsavo303 Member Posts: 8,913 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Can you sell guns to a ffl holder with a C&R license?

    Larry
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  • tsavo303tsavo303 Member Posts: 8,913 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I'm selling an old Martini (over 50 years old) with a new .222 Remington barrel. Prospective buyers are telling me it's a C&R. Is it? If you say "yes", please post an ATF reference.

    Thanks
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  • 22WRF22WRF Member Posts: 3,385
    edited November -1
    Astra 900 is not on the list. These are Astra, models Astra, M 800 Condor model, pistol, caliber 9mm parabellum. Astra, model 1921 (400) semiautomatic pistols having slides marked Esperanzo Y Unceta. Astra, model 400 pistol, German Army Contract, caliber 9mm Bergmann-Bayard, S/N range 97351-98850. Astra, model 400 semiautomatic pistol, cal. 9mm Bergmann-Bayard, second German Army Contract, in S/N range 92851 through 97350. 901, 902, and 903, selective fire pistols, cal. 7.63mm (.30 Mauser). To transfer a to a C&R you can just send the pistol to them when you receive his signed copy of the C&R.Even though it it not on this list you can ask ATF for a determination. It should qualify as C&R[This message has been edited by 22WRF (edited 01-09-2002).]
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  • EOD GuyEOD Guy Member Posts: 931 ✭
    edited November -1
    Was it manufactured over 50 years ago? If so, it is automatically C&R.
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  • 22WRF22WRF Member Posts: 3,385
    edited November -1
    ATF website it not real clear. However their list says it is not all inclusive. Yes it does say Firearms manufactured 50 years prior to the current date. Check these FAQ's http://www.atf.treas.gov/firearms/curios/faq.htm
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  • nmyers@home.comnmyers@home.com Member Posts: 205 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    The Astra 900 was last made in 1936, so it is considered to be a C&R since it is > 50 years old. It does not need to be specifically named on the BATF C&R list.It must be shipped by UPS or FEDEX next day air (their rule, to prevent loss by employee theft). Federal laws require that you declare that the package contains a firearm.Neal[This message has been edited by nmyers@home.com (edited 01-09-2002).]
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  • EOD GuyEOD Guy Member Posts: 931 ✭
    edited November -1
    Federal law does not require you to declare that the package contains a firearm as long as you are shipping to a licensee. Notification is only required if you are sending to a nonlicensee.
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  • llibllib Member Posts: 66 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    I have a C&R. The last three guns I purchased from out of state were shipped postal priority mail which is much, much less than overnite air UPS or Fed. Ex. The guns were shipped from Calif., Md. and New York. My favorite postal clerk will ship the same way for me.
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  • tsavo303tsavo303 Member Posts: 8,913 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    hey guys,thanks for the info.-tk
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  • l-girll-girl Member Posts: 131 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    All C&R and Class I FFL license holders should check out the following USPS website. http://new.usps.com/cpim/ftp/pubs/pub52.pdf See Section 432.1 of this horribly long document (and try not to laugh as you scan thru the rules on mailing live scorpions and animal parts). The bottom line is that an FFL holder (C&R included) can ship to another FFL holder via the US mail provided he completes Form 1508, "Statement of Shipper of Firearms" at the post office. You can then use the very cost effective priority mail system (insured with signature on the other end option, highly recommended) to ship guns to another license holder. This avoids UPS' ridiculous $25+ charges necessary because their own personnel were ripping off the packages.
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  • EOD GuyEOD Guy Member Posts: 931 ✭
    edited November -1
    Only dealers or manufacturers can use the Postal Service to ship handguns. C&R license holders cannot legally send or receive them via the mail. The domestic mail manual is very clear on this point.It states that: "Handguns may also be mailed between licensed manufacturers of firearms and licensed dealers of firearms in customary trade shipments, or for repairing or replacing parts."
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  • l-girll-girl Member Posts: 131 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Like many government regulations, there is often a difference in terminology between agencies. While the postal regulations do indeed say "dealer or manufacturer," they also allow for unloaded "curios and museum pieces" to be shipped via the US mail. Additionally, USPS leaves it up to BATF to make distinctions with regard to firearms classification.Under BATF terminology, a Curio & Relic licensee has the same mailing privileges as a Class I licensee (dealer or manufacturer), provided he is dealing with another C&R licensee. Detailed below are excerpts from the BATF's website http://www.atf.treas.gov/firearms/relics/index.htm. I spoke with Andrew Sheldrick of the Washington DC ATF office (202 927-5966) and he confirmed that C&R license holders may ship C&R eligible firearms to another C&R licensee via the USPS. For handguns, the Post Office does require completion of their Form 1508 "Statement of Shipper of Firearms."I hope this is helpful.F14) Who may ship firearms through the U. S. Postal Service? [Back]Federal firearm licensees may deposit an unloaded firearm in the mails for conveyance to any officer, employee, agent, or watchman who is eligible under 18 U. S. C. 1715 to receive pistols, revolvers, and other firearms capable of being concealed on the person for use in connection with his or her official duties. However, any person proposing to mail a handgun must file with the postmaster, at the time of mailing, an affidavit signed by the addressee stating that the addressee is qualified to receive the firearm, and the affidavit must bear a certificate stating that the firearm is for the official use of the addressee. See the current Postal Manual for details. The Postal Service recommends that all firearms be sent by registered mail and that no marking of any kind which would indicate the nature of the contents be placed on the outside of any parcel containing firearms. (See also Question B8.) G. COLLECTORS (G1) Is there a specific license which permits a collector to acquire firearms in interstate commerce? [Back]Yes. The person may obtain a collector's license; however, this license applies only to transactions in curio or relic firearms. [27 CFR 178.41( c), (d), 178.50( b) and 178.93]
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