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Puma M92 454 Lever action

bsatonybsatony Member Posts: 5 ✭✭
edited June 2002 in Ask the Experts
I just bought one and would like to know if I can use 45 Colt load in it with out damaging the rifle or voiding the warrenty?
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  • gskyhawkgskyhawk Member Posts: 4,773
    edited November -1
    you should be able to as the 45 colt is just a shorter case every thing else is the same ,, you can use the 45colt in 454 revolers without problems,, would be like using 38s in a 357mag ,, also you may want to talk to robsguns as he has been checking into these rifles and has posted several articles on them,, robsguns is on the general discussion right now
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  • CS8161CS8161 Member Posts: 13,596 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Puma is making a 454 lever action? I heard that no lever action would safely contain the enormous pressures of the 454 Casull? Did they beef up the receiver? How did they do it?
    Thanks!

    Chris8161
    Admit nothing, deny everything, demand proof!
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  • NighthawkNighthawk Member Posts: 12,022 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    This is a topis I would appreciate someone finding an answer to and let it be known.These pumas are a big topic around here. I have one on order but it looks like Rossi cant meet demand. I have heard that same thing about other arms makers,not being able to make demand.Why is that they are good people in need of jobs?

    Rugster
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  • gruntledgruntled Member Posts: 8,218 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    I would hope you would go ahead & shoot the thing with the .454s &
    let us know how it works out. (Felt recoil & does it hold together well.) Please leave a note for your next of kin to let us know if it
    blows up.
    I had my hopes pinned on Marlin but it seems not to be.
    The .45 LC should work fine & would certainly be safe. The only problems I could forsee would be that the shorter case might have feeding problems & that after shooting a great deal of the shorter cases you might have some problems getting the longer cases to feed or eject. I think the possibility of such problems is remote but not impossible.

    Edited by - gruntled on 06/10/2002 15:41:05
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  • YanquiYanqui Member Posts: 58 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    I have also heard that there is no leveraction that can handle the 454 Casull. The thing is the only place I have heard it is on the gun forums. Where have all of you heard this information? I haven't had the chance to ask at my local gunshops or fellow shooters. Maybe they have fired and tested the leveractions and have the necessary documentation.

    My Colt Delta Elite never came apart as I was told it would. But I was told that the 1911 could not hold up to 10MM. That was even after Colt did extensive tests on it. The information came from fellow shooter who got their information from ?????

    Anybody out there have the proper documentation that the Rossi 92 cannot hold up to the 454 Casull?

    Hey, maybe we can ask the anonymous expert over at http://forums.gunbroker.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=20005 for the proper documentation.




    Yanqui
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  • gskyhawkgskyhawk Member Posts: 4,773
    edited November -1
    Yanqui: I can tell you this I call Marlin and Ruger and ask both of them if they where going to make their 1894 's, 9644 in the 454 and the response was a very large NO rifles like that can't take the pressure, If Marlin , Winchester and Ruger aren't going to make one there most be a good reason
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  • gruntledgruntled Member Posts: 8,218 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    I talked to some people at the NRA convention that told me they are testing their rifle in .454 Casul & if everything goes OK they will
    debut it at the next Shot Show. The rifle is a takedown they make from modified Marlins.
    Wild West Guns, inc. Anchorage, Ak. wwguns@ak.net
    http:www.wildwestguns.com



    Edited by - gruntled on 06/11/2002 18:19:56
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  • YanquiYanqui Member Posts: 58 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    The reason Marlin, United States Repeating Arms and Ruger do not make a rifle in 454 Casull.

    quote:I call Marlin and Ruger and ask both of them if they where going to make their 1894 's, 9644 in the 454 and the response was a very large NO rifles like that can't take the pressure,

    I believe that answers the question.

    Quotes from anonymous expert http://forums.gunbroker.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=20005
    quote:Winchester put together a few '94 Big Bores in collaboration with Freedom Arms, and after limited testing, The Big Red "W" backed out of the project in a hurry.

    quote:that the '92 is a FAR stronger action than the '94, partly due to length of receiver sidewalls, partly because there is so LITTLE material left in the right wall of the '94 -- and even LESS in the '94 Big Bore.

    quote:We had '94s stretch and peen themselves beyond safe limits in as little as 30 rounds of factory-equivalent .454 Casull loads. NONE of the SIX we wrecked (of six tested) lasted as many as 50 rounds before becoming unserviceable. The one that failed at 30 rounds was a 1985-made Big Bore. The Marlin 336 we tested became a rattling wreck that would no longer lock up, in 20 rounds.

    But I do not remember reading about any tests performed on the Rossi 92. The tests were performed and none of "them" could take it. And therefore if "they" could not take it, it is assumed that the 92 could not take, even if it is stronger. Now that is what I call scientific analysis.

    By the way has anyone thought about contacting Rossi and ask why they can manufacture a product that take the 454 Casull?



    Edited by - Yanqui on 06/12/2002 01:50:10

    Edited by - Yanqui on 06/12/2002 01:51:33
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  • robsgunsrobsguns Member Posts: 4,581 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    yanqui,
    I have made the effort to contact the U.S. distributor, the only distributor of these rifles. They have, to put it kindly, very little working knowledge of how the rifle is made, and the material used, or the specs. on the gun. As to calling Brazil and trying to comunicate with someone there on how the gun is made, well, I just dont think its worth the call. These rifles just hit the market, it will be a very short time before a gun magazine does a test, and we will also know quickly enough what the consumer thinks of it. In the mean time, if Ruger, Winchester, and Marlin all say that the gun they have cant take it, and I have infinite respect for the opinions of those companys, then I think it best to just wait and see how the Rossi shakes out before buying one, as suggested by others. Like buying a new car, never by the new model the firt year it comes out, is good advice.

    SSgt Ryan E. Roberts, USMC
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  • v35v35 Member Posts: 12,710 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Comparing the 94 Winchester and 336 Marlin actions to the 86,71 or 92 Winchester actions is comparing apples to oranges. The 94 and 336
    actions work on different mechanical principles from the others.
    The proof of the puddin will be in the testing of the Puma 92 copy of the Winchester 92.
    As to using shorter or longer ammo in the 92, it would be safe but very well may not feed. I have this problem with oversize 44 Mag and undersize 44 Special loads in my Win/Browning 92.
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