mosin-nagant M44

warmgun

Okay you Russian gun guys,why does the mosin-nagant have such a goofy,awkward -working bolt action?The bolt handle is too short,and I have to extend my arm completely to operate the bolt. The cartridge is stout,with lots of muzzleblast.How can I speed up this action for faster ( if necessary ) follow up shots? Are scope mounts available?Many Thanx...

jdb123

there is a scope mount system for the m-44 by b-square {i heard stay away from it} and also from alliance systems {drill and tapping required} that comes with a new bolt handle but i cant speak of the quality of it.

jonk

The action is so poor in terms of operation because it was made to avoid patent rights, be terrifically strong, easy to operate and make, reliable, and so on. Also it was 1891 and really, no one knew yet what a good smokeless action would prove to be; smokeless powder was only 5 or 6 years old. A lot of ideas were being tried. If I had to guess on the bolt handle, it is straight because you can provide more camming action in case of a sticky round on ejection than on a bent down handle; now why it is so short I can't say.



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Bullzeye

Like Jonk said, Col. Mosin and Emile Nagant probably could have made the bolt a little less gigantic and robust, but the 7.62x54mm is a real honker by early standards, and they were in uncharted territory.

If you use the the soft-points, that thing exceeds the .308 in stopping ability.

Not to speak smack on the .308 of course. The 54's a bit bigger, but it's ballistic co isnt nearly as good

king999

There are two good ways to mount a scope, neither of which will require serious modification or expense, but both are a little "different".
First, consider a long relief, pistol type scope and mount it well forward of the action, on the bbl itself.
Second possibility is to mount a conventioinal scope offset to the left. You will have to look around for a suitable side mount that can be adapted. Advantage to this system is that you will still have your iron sights intact. Disadvantage is that you will probably have to add a cheekpiece of some kind in order to have a comfortable position.
If you can use your LEFT eye for sighting, it is a great way to go. The fact that you will be about 3/4" out of boreline is meaningless under normal conditions.
As for the muzzle blast you are getting, it may be an ammo problem. There are two major variants in surplus ammo available. One uses a 150 gr bullet and is a delight to shoot. The other has about 200 gr and is no fun in the 44 carbine. (Its OK in the full lenght rifles).
Hope I have been of assistance.
Morty (mkood@prodigy.net)

HappyNanoq

Okay - Dumb follow up question here.....

Ever thought about the original russian sighting scope?
"PU 3.5" - Frankonia in Germany can get you the original 3.5*power scope and I believe that Frankonia can also find the scope mounting too.

They have the original carry-strap, bag to hold bullets and the toolkit for Mosin Nagant. I believe they even have the bayonets. =o)

Regards
Peter E Jeppesen
Greenland


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