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Need help with value of Mannlicher 1956 rifle.

jrs335jrs335 Member Posts: 10 ✭✭
edited July 2013 in Ask the Experts
Looking for some help determining the value of a 1957 an early to mid 1060's Mannlicher 1956 kal 243 Rifle with Abercrombie & Fitch engraved branding. In like new condition the rifle has been on a rack for most of the last 40-50 years, not sure if it has ever been fired. Anyone with knowledge of this type of rifle would be gratefully appreciated as I am trying to sell it for a friend.

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  • rufe-snowrufe-snow Member Posts: 18,650 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    With the Monte Carlo stock, I believe it would be considered a "Model 1961 MCA Carbine". Never heard or seen any with Abercrombie & Fitch markings though. Stoeger was the US importer.

    Always have been very expensive high dollar guns. Given the condition, caliber and A & F markings. Anything between $2000 to $3500 wouldn't be unexpected. The A & F marking might add significant value?
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  • jrs335jrs335 Member Posts: 10 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Thank you rufe-snow, I guess $2800 wouldn't be unreasonable. Hopefully others with knowledge of this rifle can chime in.
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  • nmyersnmyers Member Posts: 16,892 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Well, this one went for < $1,000:

    http://www.GunBroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=338691062

    Condition is not as good as your friend's, but .30-06 is probably more desirable than .243. If it were mine, I'd be happy to get $1,500.

    Neal
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  • rufe-snowrufe-snow Member Posts: 18,650 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by nmyers
    Well, this one went for < $1,000:

    http://www.GunBroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=338691062

    Condition is not as good as your friend's, but .30-06 is probably more desirable than .243. If it were mine, I'd be happy to get $1,500.

    Neal


    IMHO, The bubaed holes, and cut stock for the Williams mount. Along with the aftermarket pad. Would pretty much kill collector demand/value, for this one Neal. Goes to show though, that even a gun most hard core M-S collectors would consider a shooter, still can be sold for $1000.
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  • HerschelHerschel Member Posts: 2,035 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Of course stock style is a matter of taste, but I consider the 1956 M-S stock with the scooped out monte carlo cheek piece the ugliest of the M-S stocks. The single trigger is also a detractor. The pluses are the condition and the G & H scope mount. I think $2,000.00 would be top dollar even though I see them on tables at gun shows priced much higher.
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  • perry shooterperry shooter Member Posts: 17,105 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Sweet with quick detach lever scope mount. 243 in a light weight rifle would be a dream outfit. . 50 years ago this would be a very desirable
    outfit. For whitetail [^] Today because it does not have a 4 sided Tactical mount and an plastic stock.... [xx(][V][:(][:(!] very small market.
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  • AmbroseAmbrose Member Posts: 3,224 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    FWIW: On the left side of the receiver, near the front, and ahead of that, just behind the rear sight, and sometimes on the top surface of the bolt handle root are a couple of proof marks and a 2 number date (56, etc.). That will tell you the year your rifle was made. My model 1956 was made in 1957 and is #22278 so yours pre-dates that. As has been said, the A&F marking is unusual since Stoeger's was the exclusive (supposedly) importer. .243, while not exactly rare, is different from the common .30/06 and the slightly less common .270. The condition of your rifle is also a plus. I have a half dozen or so of these rifles and all but one have the Stoegers import marking. I'm guessing that the one I have with no import mark was purchased by a military service member while overseas and brought back.
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  • jrs335jrs335 Member Posts: 10 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Ambrose
    FWIW: On the left side of the receiver, near the front, and ahead of that, just behind the rear sight, and sometimes on the top surface of the bolt handle root are a couple of proof marks and a 2 number date (56, etc.). That will tell you the year your rifle was made. My model 1956 was made in 1957 and is #22278 so yours pre-dates that. As has been said, the A&F marking is unusual since Stoeger's was the exclusive (supposedly) importer. .243, while not exactly rare, is different from the common .30/06 and the slightly less common .270. The condition of your rifle is also a plus. I have a half dozen or so of these rifles and all but one have the Stoegers import marking. I'm guessing that the one I have with no import mark was purchased by a military service member while overseas and brought back.


    Thank you Ambrose, it is stamped '57, good to know.
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  • TWalkerTWalker Member Posts: 2,372 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Nice! I like the Griffin and Howe side mount and full length stock. Side mounts were commonly used on these rifles. Mine has one; though it's a Paul Jager. G&H are more valuable and desirable. Prices on these rifles vary greatly. I'd sell it on auction here at GunBroker or at auction with one of the "high dollar" auction companies. Value is likely between $1,500 and $2,500.
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  • GrasshopperGrasshopper Member Posts: 17,033 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by perry shooter
    Sweet with quick detach lever scope mount. 243 in a light weight rifle would be a dream outfit. . 50 years ago this would be a very desirable
    outfit. For whitetail [^] Today because it does not have a 4 sided Tactical mount and an plastic stock.... [xx(][V][:(][:(!] very small market.


    Agree,,the days are a changing,,I see a quality piece,,people (most) in their 20s-30s would not,,,I think 2k would be good,,ymmv
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