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9mm Makarov

dwegdweg Member Posts: 5 ✭✭
edited June 2002 in Ask the Experts
Hi, I have a Hungarian made Makarov but when i fire it the case always jams. Upon inspection of this pistol i noticed that on the left side of the slide is marked "9mm M" but on the barrel,on the right side in the ejection port its marked "9mm short" (ie. two different casings). Also on the right side of slide towards the muzzle is marked "CAI. St Alb. VT.
the sub frame has "FEG Hungary". It loads 9mm short but will not load
9mm M. Any info on this pisol would be helpful.
Thankyou
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  • dwegdweg Member Posts: 5 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    How does the 9MM MAKAROV compare with a .380 ACP as the guns are about the same size?Which is a better round?How does the 9MM MAKAROV compare with the 9MM LUGER?
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  • kimberkidkimberkid Member Posts: 8,858 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    The 9mm M. and 9mm short (or kurtz) are both referring to the 9mm Makarov which measures 9X18mm, the standard 9mm Luger or 9mm Parabullem measures 9X19mm which would be too long ... I have shot the .380 (measures 9X17) in place of the 9mm Makarov ... this has brought up some debate on this board before, but I have shot several thousand rounds in at least 4 different pistols chambered for the 9mm Makarov. This is not to say it is reccomended, only that I've never had a problem with it.

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  • bigdog1bigdog1 Member Posts: 193 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    I'm fairly sure that the 9mm kurtz or corto or short is referring to the 380acp. There are 9x18 makarovs and a cartridge called the 9x18 Ultra ( or police). But in every thing that I've read, the 380 acp is known in other parts of the world as the kurtz, corto or short. Please correct me if I'm wrong, it won't be the first time....
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  • XracerXracer Member Posts: 1,990 ✭
    edited November -1
    I'm with you bigdog. In my world, 9mm short (or corto or kurtz) has always been .380 ACP.
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  • dwegdweg Member Posts: 5 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Thanks for the input, but why would it keep on jamming? could the ejector be bad, and why the two different markings on the pistol?The 9mm short and the 9mm M casing is different.Also does anyone know where to get parts for these pistols?
    Input and/or comments welcome.
    Thankyou



    Edited by - dweg on 06/22/2002 15:20:37
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  • joeaf1911a1joeaf1911a1 Member Posts: 2,962 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Dweg: Try slugging the barrel. If .380 auto (9mm corto or kurtz
    which are all the same) should read around .355" or .356".
    If it is 9mm Makorof (not 9mm parabellam called Luger) should read
    around .360". Dont think any were originaly chambered in 9 mm Luger
    (9mm parabellam) which is a hotter round. Not certain, but believe
    mags for both the .380 and the 9mm Makorof are the same. BUT
    chambers and barrels are different. Possibly slide and extractors
    are different. Have a Russian Mak. in .380, all steel, which I
    love and is flawless with any type .380 ammo including my reloads,
    both cast and jacketed.
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  • bigdog1bigdog1 Member Posts: 193 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    To the best of my knowledge, maks were only made in 9mm makarov and 380ACP, so the idea of maybe the barrels possibly being switched or assembled wrong is entirely possible. The mags should be the same for both cals. Don't know, but I suspect the extractor is the same. If anything might be different, maybe it would be the recoil spring? The mak is loaded a little warmer than the 380's. I have an East german mak. that shoots far better than most pistols of its size. The maks are great shooting little pistols and the ammo can be had relatively cheaply. Hope this helps...
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  • ATFATF Member Posts: 11,683 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    joef1911a1,the 9m/m Makarov measures .365 dia. the .380 measures .355 - .356

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  • 110110 Member Posts: 125 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Not a good idea to shoot 9mak out of a 380 barrel. The bullet diameter is larger and you could a potential fatal problem on your hands. Never shoot 380 out of a 9x18mak barrel the the bullet will be bouncing off the the interior of the barrel. take it to someone who is knowladgeble about maks. Sounds like you might have a parts gun.
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  • kimberkidkimberkid Member Posts: 8,858 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Not to mention the chamber wont close compleatly and the action wont lock up if you try shooting 9mak in a .380 ... the case is too long!

    Not so with a .380 in a 9mak barrel ... the size difference is only .008 at the max ... I hardly think the: quote:the the bullet will be bouncing off the the interior of the barrel I didn't intend to re-fuel the debate but as I said: quote:I have shot several thousand rounds in at least 4 different pistols chambered for the 9mm Makarov. This is not to say it is reccomended, only that I've never had a problem with it.

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