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10MM In-The-Woods Defense Load

turbanturban Member Posts: 71 ✭✭
edited June 2002 in Ask the Experts
Looking for the best load of this type for my Glock 20. Seeking good penetration as I'll be carrying this as last resort backup in black bear country. I understand the handgun vs dangerous animal "Are you nuts!?" argument - which is why I stress last resort. 45 rounds of full power 10MM is about the best one can hope for, I think.

It seems so far the 200gr TMJ/FMJ over approx. 14 grains of #9 is the best recipe I've seen. Any thoughts?

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  • NighthawkNighthawk Member Posts: 12,022 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I think your on track as the 10mm has near 41mag power.I would choose to go with the 200gr bullet with a soft point,should get the job done.


    Good Luck.

    Rugster
  • allen griggsallen griggs Member Posts: 35,619 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Naw,man, you can smoke a black bear with that round. They aren't that hard to kill. But a grizzly, that is another story. I spent a summer in the wilderness in British Columbia, grizzly country big time. There was a story going around among the hunting guides about a rogue grizzly which had been killing horses, causing trouble etc for years and finally someone killed him. When they cut the bad boy up, they found two .45 acp slugs lodged in his skull, but the skull had healed up over the slugs. They could tell that they had been fired, years before, from beneath his jaw. All they could figure wat that the griz had gotten some guy in a bear hug and the poor guy managed to get two shots off with his Colt, but to no avail. A lot of the bush pilots up there were packing 1911 Colts back then, maybe it was a hard-luck pilot. This was back in 1973, I guess the pilots carry super-soakers nowadays.

    "Not as deep as a well, or as wide as a church door, but it is enough."
  • NighthawkNighthawk Member Posts: 12,022 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Enjoyed the story Allen,thanks for sharing it. Im always all ears on Grizzly stories. Hope someday I get to hunt Grizzly.

    Rugster
  • 4GodandCountry4GodandCountry Member Posts: 3,968
    edited November -1
    I was watchin a hunting program a while back and the guy was using a glock 10mm. It was pretty accurate and he was able to kill a deer and a wild boar. I had the opportunity to shoot a friend of mines LAR 45 Win Mag. a couple of weeks ago and it was quite impressive. I liked it better than the 50 cal. grizzly I shot and it was more accurate.

    When Clinton left office they gave him a 21 gun salute. Its a damn shame they all missed....
  • allen griggsallen griggs Member Posts: 35,619 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    OK, Rugster. This was in the summer of '73. Three of us guys in Atlanta had watched "Jeremiah Johnson" and decided to go be mountain men. USA was too settled, so we went to BC. We were staying with a big game guide and trapper named Larry Erickson who was teaching us how to be mountain men. He taught us how to pack a pack horse, wilderness survival how to build a log cabin etc. He had a camp 15 miles from the nearest town, which was named Manson Creek, pop. 8. Larry had his big game hunting station there, a log cabin and two framed cabins, and he lived there with his sled dog team and his girlfriend Sue. Well one day I found a dog collar in the woods. I showed it to Larry and Sue and they got real excited and wanted to know where I found it. I showed them, it was about 100 yards from the log cabin. They said it belonged to their Husky that got killed by the grizzly. At this point I got real interested in the story. See, every Nov. at the end of hunting season they shot 2 moose, the limit is 1 per person. Their freezer is a big shed which sets on 15 foot stilts. By Nov. up there the snow is 10 feet deep and it doesn't get above 10 degrees until late April, so you hang 1500 lbs of moose meat in this shed and it keeps real good. So on the day they shot the moose the previous fall, the huskies gorged themselves, as usual. They said a Husky will eat about 50 lbs of meat, and then it can barely walk. Sue and Larry had gone off to get the second moose and when they returned one of the huskies had been killed. They saw the griz tracks and the pool of blood. Somehow, maybe it was a blizzard, they couldn't track the bear, I don't know why not because these people were professional trackers. Anyway, when Larry saw the collar he knew in which direction the bear had taken the dog and he knew which grizzly it was. He pointed to the wall above the dinner table. There were 2-.303s, a .22, 2-.308 lever action, and a Marlin 12 ga. goose gun, 36 inch barrel. These guns were hanging on nails. On the first day Larry had told us,"Don't mess with those guns, they are all loaded". Well, Larry told us that the next fall that same griz would return to get more moose meat and kill another husky. He said bears hate huskies. And he said he was going to take the "grizzly gun" out in the yard and kill the bear. I asked which gun that was. He said, the 12 gauge shotgun. It was loaded with #4 shot and Larry said that at close range it was the deadliest weapon going. He said that when a griz charges he rears up on his hind legs just before he gets to you and then you start shooting. I know that sounds far fetched and I never stayed around for the grizzly shoot out, but I was there, I saw the dog collar, and I saw the shotgun and Larry wasn't smiling when he said it.Plus Larry was an expert hunter and had guided dozens of grizzly hunts. If it had been me I would have poked a .308 out the window and fired away but it seemed like it was personal for Larry and he wanted to look that bear in the eyes while he died. What was wild was he was calmly talking about killing that griz in that yard, about 100 feet from where we sat. It was not like watching a bear story on Discovery Channel. Every night after dinner we had to cross that yard in the dark and walk about 300 feet to the cabin where we slept. We were scared as hell the rest of the time we were there. By the way, later I got a job as a Paramedic and I learned that Larry was right, a close range shotgun is the deadliest weapon. Even if it is loaded with #8 quail shot, at 30 feet or less there is nothing else as lethal.

    "Not as deep as a well, or as wide as a church door, but it is enough."

    Edited by - allen griggs on 06/25/2002 15:46:14

    Edited by - allen griggs on 06/25/2002 15:50:10

    Edited by - allen griggs on 06/25/2002 15:57:25
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