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Shipping Ammo

762x51762x51 Member Posts: 26 ✭✭
edited March 2002 in Ask the Experts
Okay I read the sticky on it. From what I get from it and what I have been told over the years,
shipping live ammo via the USPS is illegal.

Then my question is; if it is illegal then how are the big sellers on the auction side
getting away with shipping ammo via USPS?
They state they ship USPS and the shipping price they are giving is for Priority Mail.
I know because I know what UPS charges and there is no way I can charge $6 - $7 less to match their shipping price
on the same ammo via UPS.

I now understand why we do not sell as much ammo even though our price for the auction is within line with the rest.
Our shipping cost kills it because we ship within the law.
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  • 762x51762x51 Member Posts: 26 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    What carrier(s) can I ship ammo through? Do you have to declare what is in the shipment? Just need some info on shipping laws governing ammunition. Also, I am not a FFL holder. How can I ship a firearm legally?
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  • 762x51762x51 Member Posts: 26 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Can anyone ship ammo? Let me know of anything special that needs done.Thanks
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  • 762x51762x51 Member Posts: 26 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    I am an individual in Illinois and have some ammo I want to put on the auction site. What are the legalities of me selling and shipping? Thanks!
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  • 762x51762x51 Member Posts: 26 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Am I allowed to ship ammo with the U.S. Postal Service? Seems like people are doing it but it seems to conflict what the postal service says is non-mailable items.

    Thanks,
    Mike
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  • 762x51762x51 Member Posts: 26 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Guys, our sticky is 7+ years old and I'm wondering if there have been new restrictions placed in these years. I have a couple of boxes of old Colt .32 long that I want to put on the auction side. I don't want to go to jail for this little amount of money.

    Thanks,
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  • 762x51762x51 Member Posts: 26 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    I am going to use UPS ground with ORM-D lables but I need to know of any restrictions from one individual in Louisiana to another in Illinois. Is a copy of their FOID card all I need.
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  • 762x51762x51 Member Posts: 26 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    I'm new to the site so appologies if this is the wrong place to ask this. I'm not a dealer, I just have some ammo sitting around that I no longer have guns for. When I sell it on the auction site, are there any precautions I should take with regard to who I ship to and how?
    Thanks for the help.

    Don W.
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  • 762x51762x51 Member Posts: 26 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    I'm looking for information on shipping ammo.
    Whats involved shipping a sealed spam can of ammo using UPS ?
    Do you have to tell them whats in the box, or just ship it and shut up?
    I called the ups store today and got the run around-evil ammo lecture.
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  • 762x51762x51 Member Posts: 26 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    You can ship ammo from a UPS Customer Center (not a franchised UPS store)without any problem whatsoever. The rate will be the regular "per pound" rate as all other consumer goods. Here is a bank of ORM-D Labels you can print on an Avery blank label full sheet page:

    CopyofORM-DLabels.jpg

    Here is what a package of Avery full sheet label media looks like, from Office Depot:

    AveryFullSheetLabelImage.jpg

    Just have your carton well packed and tight with labels attached, and when you go to the computer to make a shipping label at the UPS terminal, write in "consumer" when it asks what type of material is being shipped. When you get your UPS SHIPPING LABEL FINISHED, STICK IT ON YOUR PACKAGE AND TAKE IT TO THE SCALES AND SAY "SHIP IT GROUND" No other action is necessary. They'll weigh it, scan your UPS label and ask you for the money. Pay and you're done.

    Forget about FEDEX, and DON'T EVEN THINK ABOUT MAILING AMMO USPS!
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  • 762x51762x51 Member Posts: 26 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    hi went to usps today about shipping ammo lady was clueless,what are the rules?
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  • 762x51762x51 Member Posts: 26 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    What is the most cost effective way to ship approximately 100lbs of 10mm ammo from one state to another. Fedex wants to charge me around 350$ any other ideas would be great.

    WordBorn!!
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  • 762x51762x51 Member Posts: 26 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    I don't have an FFL. Can I ship ammo to someone that does not have an FFL ? Thanks
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  • 762x51762x51 Member Posts: 26 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    I've been including my extra ammo in my auctions when I sell a gun that I only have one of in that caliber. This is the first time I have ever sold any of my firearms...but just too many right now.

    Shipping is a RIP-OFF!!! USPS won't take it, UPS wants it by contracted businesses only, at $40 per parcel, and Fed-Ex wants $30 per parcel.

    Any other options for shipping????....this is a joke!!!

    Thanks!!!
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  • 762x51762x51 Member Posts: 26 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    I recently sold my last .380 to a fellow 4 states away-gun went expensively but completely legally to his local FFL. I have 300? rds. of older but unfired, in-the-box factory ammo. He wants to buy it on the cheap, which is cool with me-I have no further need.

    I live in a small Rocky Mtn. community. I called our single local UPS and FedEx offices-you'd think I wanted to ship a hundred lbs. of C4 on Air Force One. I check ups/fedex.coms. The hazardous materials pages are absurd and endless. I have to be a certified hazardous materials contract shipper with a pick-up account to even call them. Has it truly become easier to ship an arm than a small quantity of ammo?

    I see ammo for sale on this and other arms sites-often small quantities for prices in the teens by non-FFL's. What do these guys do? What's the average Joe Citizen to do other than 'inadvertantly mistate' the package contents?

    Thanks for any help.
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  • 762x51762x51 Member Posts: 26 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    hello I have 3 old boxes of remington kleenbore rifle ammo 45-70 that I want to list on gunbroker but I am unsure of how to ship the ammo to a buyer without costing a small fortune any help will be greatly appreciated I can best be contacted at gundoc2000@yahoo.com

    thanks for any help Dan
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  • 762x51762x51 Member Posts: 26 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    I assume that USPS still does not take Ammo? Is that what ya'll see? Lots of people are still using them and seemingly not getting caught. Ive told some not to us them but still see ammo getting shipped through them.
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  • 762x51762x51 Member Posts: 26 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    I know you have to ship ammo UPS or FedEx. And you need to mark the outside of the box. How?
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  • 762x51762x51 Member Posts: 26 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    I would like to sell .300 WSM ammo on Gunbroker.com that I don't need anymore. I have never shipped ammo before. Need advice on how to ship ammo. Anybody have any tips? Is see UPS requires special labeling, but are there HAZMAT fees? The information on shipping firearms is clear, but ammo not so.
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  • 762x51762x51 Member Posts: 26 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Friend wants me to ship some 380 ammo to Ohio how can i find out what state or legal to ship to.
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  • 762x51762x51 Member Posts: 26 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    I want to ship my son-in-law some 30-06 ammo. Who will take this Postal service fed-ex or ups????
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  • 762x51762x51 Member Posts: 26 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Does anyone have any tips for me on shipping ammo out to a buyer? This will be the first time I've ever sold ammon online. REALLY appreciate the help! Thanks!
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  • 762x51762x51 Member Posts: 26 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    What are rules for shipping ammo sold on Gun Broker?
    Can ammo be shipped in same box with a pistol??
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  • Tailgunner1954Tailgunner1954 Member Posts: 7,734 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Short answer is YesBox must be marked / labeled "ORM-D"Receiver must be old enough to receive the package 18 (21 for handgun ammo)
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  • jonkjonk Member Posts: 10,121
    edited November -1
    Yes. And it has to go via UPS (FedEx may also accept it, not sure). And not just any UPS counter (like MBE, Kinkos, etc.,) will do; it must be an actual UPS station, or you must schedule a UPS pickup. USPS does not ship ammo.
    "...hit your enemy in the belly, and kick him when he is down, and boil his prisoners in oil- if you take any- and torture his women and children. Then people will keep clear of you..." -Admiral of the Fleet Lord Fisher, speaking at the Hague Peace Conference in 1899.
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  • IconoclastIconoclast Member Posts: 10,515 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    FAQ #1:Unless state or local regulations / laws specify otherwise, you may ship ammo within the continental US w/o an FFL (don't need it for AK or HI, but see below) to another party who does not have an FFL. Be aware that some jurisdictions have stringent restrictions on the types & calibers of ammo which may be received (particularly military surplus loadings); check with the ATF website to determine if this foolish PC nonsense applies to you or the recipient. Live ammo may *only* be shipped by common carrier (i.e.: UPS, FedEx) by *ground* transport. No 'hazmat' penalties apply, however the container must be marked on two sides "ORM-D (short for "Other Regulated Material - class D") Small Arms Ammunition." It is illegal to ship by USPS (Postal regs, Pub 52, Section 341.21c). You can only ship from your place of business - which can be your home under the regs - or from the carrier's terminal. Be aware that both of the common carriers apparently give the terminal managers wide latitude in accepting / rejecting packages, so a UPS location in your area may refuse to accept a package while FedEx will, or vice versa. If you are frustrated by the locals, a call to the national customer service center with a request for them to contact the local terminal will usually - but not always - resolve the problem. [This message has been edited by Iconoclast (edited 03-24-2002).]
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  • 762x51762x51 Member Posts: 26 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Thanks to all for the replies.
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  • joeaf1911a1joeaf1911a1 Member Posts: 2,962 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Small arms ammo (up to .50 cal) may be shipped via UPS ground. Believe it is up to 60 lbs per box. Must be properly packed in clips or boxed. Outer box must be of the 200lb. test (shown in circle on box bottom).Must have a sticker showing ORM-D and oneshowing small arms ammunition. I had a hassle with UPS counter which first refusedto ship. I called UPS Hazmat Section and hadinstructions E mailed to me. Showed it toUPS counter and after that no problem forthe last year. Would advise getting age proof of buyer such as drivers lisence andstatement it is not against the law to purchase localy. And yes it was private person to private person.
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