Curious at to reason for requirement.

Alpine

I am curious, and I know this has been asked before, but why do you have this in your sellers shipping information. My FFL holder says this information is wrong, that it is not a requirement by ATF, but that you may have included it as CYA.

quote: Shipment by Unlicensed Persons
Any shipper who does not have a Federal Firearms License (FFL) is considered to be an 'unlicensed person'. This section contains information on how unlicensed persons can ship firearms. If you have an FFL, please skip to the next section for shipping suggestions.
The most important thing to know is that you must only ship guns to a licensed dealer. If the buyer is not a licensed dealer, he will have to make arrangements with a dealer in his state to ship the item to.

Before you ship a gun, the buyer must mail you a copy of the dealer's FFL license, signed in blue or red ink. You can only ship the gun to the address on the license. You must inform the carrier that the package contains a firearm. Of course, the firearm cannot be shipped loaded; ammunition may not be shipped in the same box. You should take the copy of the signed FFL with you when you take the item to be shipped in case the shipper wishes to see it.




A non licensed person can ship to FFL holder without a copy of the FFL license. And this FFL holder has had his license longer than I have been alive.


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nelchris

Hey,Everyone needs to have a signed copy of FFL.from the person who is to receive the gun .NO ANDS IFS OR BUTTS

AntiqueDr

Actually, that is not correct.

The law is that the recipient must be a licensee. There is no requirement for a non-licensee to obtain a copy of the recipient's FFL, only to know that the recipient is a licensee. The reason a licensed dealer has to obtain a copy is because the dealer has to log the firearm out of his books to another licensee or to an individual on a Form 4473. Upon audit, each 4473 and FFL license must be on file. Since non-licensees do not the recordkeeping requirement, it is not legally necessary for a non-licensee to obtain the FFL copy.

Now, if the only way you feel sure that your recipient is a licensee is to have an FFL copy that's fine - but it is your choice, not law.

By the way, if you ship your firearm back to the manufacturer for repair are you going to require a copy of their FFL first?

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Alpine

AntiqueDr: That was the example I was going to use.

So... answer me this. Why is it a Gunbroker.com requirement for their non FFL sellers to have a copy of reciever FFL?

Again it is not the ATF requirement.

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AntiqueDr

Probably just a CYA thing. I have no problem sending a copy to an individual who is sending me a gun, whether its a trade/purchase or repair. Sometimes it makes a big difference in their ability to ship, depending on the stupidity of their particular UPS or FedEx depot. It just slows things down, is all.

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Nighthawk

If it were the case it would be illegal to ship a firearm back to the factory,or to a Gun Smith for tweeking it up.The only requirment I am aware of is if you ship by mail the firearm cant be shipped in the same box as ammo.And of course it has to be unloaded,and you must write firearm inside.(by the way please dont steel me)I would suggest you get plenyy of insurance.The postal service tend to be more careful with Insured items.


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Rugster

AntiqueDr

Another myth that must be dispelled. You are not required to label the package as containing a firearm, and the carrier is prohibited from requiring that labeling under 18 USC 922:

" No common or contract carrier shall require or cause any label, tag, or other written notice to be placed on the outside of any package, luggage, or other container that such package, luggage, or other container contains a firearm. "


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Alpine

I know for a fact that a non FFL holder does not have to have a copy, before sending, and that "firearm" cannot be on the outside of the
package. Now I wish ADMIN would let me know why they require it for their sellers. It is not in the AFT regs.


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