The 10mm auto?

E.Williams

Why has this round not gotten more respect?I would think that a round with a 180-200grain bllet moving faster than a 9mm or +p.45 would be highly effective.Why is this not the case?I see people all day having bada things to say about this round and i dont understand why.Maybe yall can shed some light on this for me.I have also seen where people have said the 9mm is more effective than the 10mm is this because there have been more shooting statistics with 9mm to base that judgment on or is that not rain hitting my back?

Eric S. Williams

leeblackman

The 10mm is an excellent cartridge, just bad timing. The .40sw came along and took its market, don't know why just happened.

Its still a great cartridge, but you can reproduce its same ballistics with +p .40s&w ammo. All the .40sw is a shorter 10mm.

I honestly haven't heard a bad thing ever said about the 10mm. And I don't see how the 9mm would be more effective, you'd have to be stupid to say that. The 10mm moves a heavier, larger diameter bullet with more energy than the 9mm.

If I'm wrong please correct me, I won't be offended.

The sound of a 12 gauge pump clears a house fatser than Rosie O eats a Big Mac !

E.Williams

I read that the 9mm was more effective than 10mm on various web sites and have seen people bad mouthing it on evan marashalls stopping power page.I was thinking the same about the 10mm moving bigger bullet as faster speeds would have to be more effective than a lighter slower bullet I thought that would be basic common sense just wanted some confirmation.

Eric S. Williams

E.Williams

The threemain things I have heard bad on the 10mm were excessive recoil and muzzle blast,bullet being to heavy and fasat and ripping right through the ntended target,and limited availibility in platforms.I am interested in a Glock 29 that ias the main reason I was aking.I would rather have that than a Glock 30.Wih the shorter barrel I figure I would get more speed from the 10mm and a bullet just about as big.I also read that the .40s&w was created due to many FBI agents not being able to handle the recoil of the 10mm is there truth behind that?

Eric S. Williams

LIKTOSHOOT

The 10mm was dead long before the .40S&W stormed on the market. The 10mm in it`s original loading was hot-very hot and hard to control by anyone. I know....everyone can control it, so they claim. The original loading provided no fast and accurate follow up shots (10mm) severe over penetration, though not really faults-not good in a crowd. Loadings were reduced until it became just another mm round on the shelf. Even factory hot loads are way under original loadings. Though the .40S&W is refered to as the 10mm Short, it can hardly be loaded to 10mm specs. LTS

E.Williams

The guy ata the gun shop here in town said if I bought the Glock 29 from him he would give me a original box of Norma 10mm is this the older very hot rounds spoke of?He said they are old and out of production but they will function flawlessly.

Eric S. Williams

leeblackman

I heard that if you can handle a .45 you can handle a 10mm. And I have a few .45's, and have shot various loads, and I'm a fairly small man, about 155lbs and 5'8" to be exact. I also own a Glock .40sw which I love dearly. But if I ever get hold of a Colt Delta 10mm, you can far believe that it will be riding my hip.

If I'm wrong please correct me, I won't be offended.

The sound of a 12 gauge pump clears a house fatser than Rosie O eats a Big Mac !

LIKTOSHOOT

The original loadings for the Bren-Ten were in excess of 1200fps with a 200grn bullet.

The purportedly throttled back 200 grain Norma ammo states they were chronographing 1200fps

The Norma will be the first download of the 10mm, still Hot...but not to original loads. This ammo (Norma) would have to be from the early eighties....1983-84, as it was downloaded again after that. LTS

E.Williams

He said he has had 10 boxes in his safe for about 15 years.He said he has some black talon if I would rather have those but Im paranoid to have them.If I have to shoot it would be my luck some d.a would send me to the federal pen for weapons violation.Are they still legalto carry if manufactured before the ban or are they a no no?

Eric S. Williams

leeblackman

Yes they are federally legal to carry, and before what ban, I don't recall them being banned. I though Winchester just quit making them to avoid lawsuits and started makeing the improved version, the SXT.

If I'm wrong please correct me, I won't be offended.

The sound of a 12 gauge pump clears a house fatser than Rosie O eats a Big Mac !

E.Williams

I had always heard that they were banned because they could eat through vests.If their not Im etting those.Arent they rated the best defense ammo ever produced?

Eric S. Williams

FatWoodDog

http://home.earthlink.net/~gnappi/index.htm

Here's a good link to a LOT of information on the 10mm, including some of the history behind its development.

FatWoodDog

Diplomacy is the art of saying "Nice, Doggie..."until you find a Rock!!

E.Williams

hell yeah thanks for that link man.

Eric S. Williams

Gordian Blade

The actual statistics for 10mm stopping power are disappointing, I'm not sure why. The sample is low because they were never very popular. Also surprisingly, the .44 mag didn't come out that well, despite what Dirty Harry said. I think if you have +P .40 S&W or +P .45 ACP you should be satisfied as those have the best stopping power for handguns. Here is the link if you are interested:
http://www.powernet.net/~eich1/sp.html