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AR-15 Silencer

telohftelohf Member Posts: 912 ✭✭
edited October 2013 in Ask the Experts
Can somebody tell where I can get a fake silencer for my olympic arms AR-15?
Does somebody have any adresses!

Also adresses wanted where I can buy a tri-burst kit for my olympic arms AR-15.

Thank you.

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  • telohftelohf Member Posts: 912 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    I am looking to buy a can for my AR-15 and have done some research but still have a few questions to those who have and use one already. First off is there a certain type of ammo that runs best with one and do they make a subsonic ammo in .223? If they do then I would most likely have to change the buffer spring(or something) to compensate for the lower power level correct?

    I have also been told that certain cans get fowling built up faster with powder residue etc and are harder to clean or repair.

    Also is there a warranty on certain brands? How many rounds should I expect to be able to run without replacement/repair? Thanks for your time.
  • rufe-snowrufe-snow Member Posts: 18,650 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Buy a .300 Blackout/Whisper barrel for your AR. With 210+ grain bullets it will be subsonic. 120 grain bullets will give you approximately equivalent ballistics to the 7.62 x 39.

    Not likely your going to get a AR to function semi-automatically with a subsonic .223 bullet.
  • competentonecompetentone Member Posts: 4,696 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by rufe-snow
    Buy a .300 Blackout/Whisper barrel for your AR. With 210+ grain bullets it will be subsonic. 120 grain bullets will give you approximately equivalent ballistics to the 7.62 x 39.

    Not likely your going to get a AR to function semi-automatically with a subsonic .223 bullet.


    That is my thinking on the subject too. (I'm planning on eventually going the ACC Blackout route.)

    A subsonic .223 (unless one somehow tried to load some sort of really strange heavy bullet) wouldn't have much more energy than a 22LR.

    I think a suppressor on a 223 is for user convenience, more than anything else.
  • beantownshootahbeantownshootah Member Posts: 12,776 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by competentone
    That is my thinking on the subject too. (I'm planning on eventually going the ACC Blackout route.)

    A subsonic .223 (unless one somehow tried to load some sort of really strange heavy bullet) wouldn't have much more energy than a 22LR.

    I think a suppressor on a 223 is for user convenience, more than anything else.


    A suppressor on a supersonic gun still does reduce report, and it makes it harder to detect the source of the shot. It also works as a pretty good flash suppressor. So even though the shot isn't particularly silent, the suppressor does still add value, and that's why snipers who are shooting decidedly NOT subsonic .308s still use suppressors.

    The heaviest commonly available .223 bullets come in 75 and 77 grain. Coming up with a subsonic load with one of those should be pretty easy. . .but it won't cycle a stock gun! I've heard of 100 and 103 grain tungsten core bullets, but those aren't common, nor do I think they'll stabilize through an ordinary AR-15 barrel.

    If you want to run a true subsonic .22, you might was well run the Aguila .22LR SSSS 60 grain "subsonic sniper" rounds with a .22LR conversion. Those supposedly are reasonably accurate though a standard-twist AR barrel, they'll cycle a normal .22LR conversion OK, and they should be whisper quiet with an ordinary .22 suppressor. .22lrs tend to be dirty and clog up suppressors, but that's the price you'll pay for convenience here.

    For "serious" work, I think most people now go with the .300 Whisper platform for AR-15s, as mentioned above.
  • wanted manwanted man Member Posts: 3,276
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by telohf
    I am looking to buy a can for my AR-15 and have done some research but still have a few questions to those who have and use one already. First off is there a certain type of ammo that runs best with one and do they make a subsonic ammo in .223? If they do then I would most likely have to change the buffer spring(or something) to compensate for the lower power level correct?

    I have also been told that certain cans get fowling built up faster with powder residue etc and are harder to clean or repair.

    Also is there a warranty on certain brands? How many rounds should I expect to be able to run without replacement/repair? Thanks for your time.

    Gemtech can answer all of your questions...look them up online
  • nmyersnmyers Member Posts: 16,892 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    You have a good grasp of the problems that are possible when you suppress a semi-auto firearm.

    I humbly suggest that you buy everything from a Class III dealer who is also a Class III repair facility with a range. Put in writing that you will pay him for all parts & labor, stipulating in writing that the completed rifle must function flawlessly, or you will be given a full refund.

    Neal

    "Just because you are paranoid, that doesn't mean that they aren't out to get you."
  • burpfireburpfire Member Posts: 1,158 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I have a couple of them on my ar-15s. stay with 223 not 300. 300 ammo is very exspensive while 223 is readily available. my cans need no hearing protection at all. the only annoying thing they do, is blow back gasses into my eyes. if you wear sunglasses, no problems. if you want true silence, then buy a bolt gun in 223 and load subsonic. elite iron makes some great cans. pretty much any name brand is good, but make sure you get a can that comes apart for cleaning! all my cans, but a couple come apart. very easy to maintain and clean.
  • telohftelohf Member Posts: 912 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    thanks for all the info. How many rounds can I expect to get out of one before it needs repair/replacement?
  • burpfireburpfire Member Posts: 1,158 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    if you get a sealed can, that will vary on barrel length and type of ammo. some ammo is dirtier than others. on a sealed can, I would say around 2 to 3thousand rds. you it will be extremely dirty. with a can that comes apart, I clean mine about every 1000rds they are very dirty at that point, and can be a pain to get apart.

    you should also be able to tell by sound when its getting dirty.
  • tsavo303tsavo303 Member Posts: 8,913 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    it doesent need to be subsonic!
    while not movie quiet, a can can make an ar hearing safe with regular ammo , mine is a .30 cal and its hearing safe on my LMT piston (which is quieter than a DI)
    if you are going for movie quiet, just go .22lr

    as long as the can is stainless or titanium (not aluminuim), you can immerse it in solvents to clean if not able to disassemble
    they will last for many of thousands, my dealer hasent worn out any!
  • rsnyder55rsnyder55 Member Posts: 2,526 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I've researched this for awhile and have a piston AR with an adjustable piston. This allows reduction of back pressure on the system.
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