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Identify a rifle???

00scoots00scoots Member Posts: 410 ✭✭
edited October 2013 in Ask the Experts
A work associate brought in to work a re-barreled rifle in .221 Fireball. The only marking on the barrel is 221 and the receiver only has a serial number. The bolt has 3 pairs of locking lugs (3 pairs = 6 lugs total) spaced equally around the circumference of the bolt just ahead of the bolt handle.

Sorry, I don't have a photo, but do you have an idea what make and model of this rifle?
We are clueless! [xx(]

THANKS
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  • rufe-snowrufe-snow Member Posts: 18,650 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    My WAG, Remington 788.

    Sorry! Didn't have my glasses on! The 788 has 3 Lugs, not 2.




    EDIT #1,

    Went through Frank de Haas's book. Only rifle I could find with two rear lugs. Is the Steyr-Mannlicher SL. Very expensive and distinctive looking rifle. Not something you would normally expect to have been customized and all markings removed.





    EDIT #2,

    You might be dancing on thin ice. Using the .221 Fireball in a rifle action that was originally chambered for a cartridge with a smaller head diameter, and lower operating pressure. Perhaps it would be best if the rife is shot at all. Use reduced power handloads, rather than factory .221 ammo or the reloaded equivalents.
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  • 00scoots00scoots Member Posts: 410 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by rufe-snow
    My WAG, Remington 788.

    Sorry! Didn't have my glasses on! The 788 has 3 Lugs, not 2.

    We did check out a Remington 788, as that was our first guess, but we were wrong. [V]

    Good thing we weren't taking bets! [;)]
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  • perry shooterperry shooter Member Posts: 17,105 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    what did the Remington model 591/ 592 bolt look like . Might be one of those that someone converted to centerfire.
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  • spas12spas12 Member Posts: 571 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    schroederconversionawf6.jpg
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  • spas12spas12 Member Posts: 571 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    591 bolt
    quote:Originally posted by spas12
    schroederconversionawf6.jpg
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  • 00scoots00scoots Member Posts: 410 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by spas12
    591 bolt
    quote:Originally posted by spas12
    schroederconversionawf6.jpg
    That's what it looks like!
    I should have mentioned that the rifle is now a single shot.

    Would it have been easier to convert the clip fed Remington 591 to a single shot with a new floor plate on the action rather than the tubular fed Remington 592?
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  • perry shooterperry shooter Member Posts: 17,105 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I believe it would be a Single shot Tube mag would be very hard Magazine might also be hard because Fierball is larger body . I don't know if the case would be too large in diameter to fit inside the magazine Sounds like a neat little rife . Have you shot It.
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  • sandwarriorsandwarrior Member Posts: 5,453 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    What you have there is a magnum rimfire bolt with a center-hole punched in it? With the area that held the rimfire firing pin machined off? And an extractor clip machined in (Sako style)?

    And FWIW, is that two rows of three lugs, not three rows of two, correct?
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  • 00scoots00scoots Member Posts: 410 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Originally posted by sandwarrior

    What you have there is a magnum rimfire bolt with a center-hole punched in it? Yes, dead center

    With the area that held the rimfire firing pin machined off? Yes, no more rimfire firing pin.

    And an extractor clip machined in (Sako style)? Yes, an extractor is in the bolt face.

    And FWIW, is that two rows of three lugs, not three rows of two, correct? 6 locking lugs are set in pairs 120 degree apart.
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  • sandwarriorsandwarrior Member Posts: 5,453 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by 00scoots
    Originally posted by sandwarrior

    What you have there is a magnum rimfire bolt with a center-hole punched in it? Yes, dead center

    With the area that held the rimfire firing pin machined off? Yes, no more rimfire firing pin.

    And an extractor clip machined in (Sako style)? Yes, an extractor is in the bolt face.

    And FWIW, is that two rows of three lugs, not three rows of two, correct? 6 locking lugs are set in pairs 120 degree apart.



    00scoots,

    Thanks for the update. My last question always seems to get tangled because of 'nomenclature' differences between people. Generally, locking lugs are 'paired' across the bolt. A row is each 'pairing' behind that.

    It's an interesting piece. You might start loading up at the very bottom. This time instead of looking for pressure signs you will be looking for marks where the case web is last supported by the chamber. I certainly wouldn't go real hot with this rifle, but it will probably spit out a pretty reasonable velocity for you.
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