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No return buying
dodge69
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A few months back I ask how folks felt about no return purchase on Gun Broker. I had a number of dealers and buyers who responded in a way I expected. Basically it it came down be sure you ask the right questions and get a ton of pictures or if the dealer is honest he will provide a ton of pictures and answer any question you have, if not forget it. My question is why you have to ask all the "right questions" when in fact it makes not difference if they do not tell the truth.
Well I should have paid more attention to a ton of pictures and a honest answer to my questions.
I have made two deals since that time, one did take the gun back, it was clearly misrepresented, one did not. It seems not matter what the seller tells you the "as is sale" makes the deal
Is there the buyer that is looking for a $ 5,000 gun for $ 1,000 , hell yes. Is there a dealer looking to sell a $ 1,000 gun for $ 2,000 yes.
To me, if I ask about a gun, it is not a subjective question as it would be with other stuff. It is clear as to what a excellent, good or fair gun is. If it is excellent and it is really a poor then give me a way out.
All I ask is if the seller or dealer is exposed to be a crook then let it be known
Well I should have paid more attention to a ton of pictures and a honest answer to my questions.
I have made two deals since that time, one did take the gun back, it was clearly misrepresented, one did not. It seems not matter what the seller tells you the "as is sale" makes the deal
Is there the buyer that is looking for a $ 5,000 gun for $ 1,000 , hell yes. Is there a dealer looking to sell a $ 1,000 gun for $ 2,000 yes.
To me, if I ask about a gun, it is not a subjective question as it would be with other stuff. It is clear as to what a excellent, good or fair gun is. If it is excellent and it is really a poor then give me a way out.
All I ask is if the seller or dealer is exposed to be a crook then let it be known
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EDIT #1,
When I was still doing the auctions. I posted quality photos, and gave them 3 days return privilege. Never had anybody send anything back. Don't get me wrong, plenty of pissing and moaning. But I didn't pay any mind. Just told them to send it back. You have some absolute winners, out there in auction land.
No offense. But if you buy anything from anyone without a iron clad return guarantee. And a hands on inspection. Your out of your mind. Even than if their crooked, they can still screw you.
A lot of people, myself included, sell things because we've decided we don't want to own them anymore. Such sales don't come with return guarantees. If you're trying to clean out stuff, you're "nuts" to be selling to people who cannot figure out whether or not they want what you are selling and want some "no questions asked return guarantee" like they're shopping at Walmart.
Most of what I buy (in terms of firearms) are "as is" sales. I know what I want; I know how to evaluate an item by looking at the pictures of what I'm buying. If I'm not provided with the information I need to make a decision about an "as is" item I'm considering buying, I pass.
Of course, an "as is" sale is not some protection for the seller if he commits fraud (as seems to be the suggestion). A seller cannot offer to sell a "Beretta 92" with no pictures, then ship a plastic toy gun -- and tell the buyer, when he complains -- "Ha, ha! It was an "as is" sale; you're stuck with what I shipped you!"
"As is" does not mean one can misrepresent an item and a buyer then has no recourse. Nor does "as is" mean "mistakes" or overlooked defects, by a seller mean the contract of the sale cannot be reversed.
Junk items, incomplete guns, parts guns, obviously broken guns, I also sell "as-is." I describe them honestly, pointing out all known flaws, and include a lot of pictures.
Used items carry the normal 3 day inspection/return privilege.
New items I sell "as-is," with no return privilege. When you are buying a new item, I presume you know what you are buying, so that if it is not defective, it will be acceptable. If it turns out to be defective, there is nothing to be gained by returning it to me. You wanted the item, but there was something wrong with it. Take that up with the manufacturer. In most cases, the manufacturer will make it right.
Junk items, incomplete guns, parts guns, obviously broken guns, I also sell "as-is." I describe them honestly, pointing out all known flaws, and include a lot of pictures.
Used items carry the normal 3 day inspection/return privilege.
If you buy a new gun from any manufacture and there is a problem, the gun MUST go back to the MFG anyway. Most of the time the mfg pays shipping. Our LGS makes their no return policy clear. Other retailers may or may not allow returns. Almost every local dealer will at least facilitate your return.
As a milsurp guy, I notice many auctions with AS IS no return. If I am interested, I ask questions. I had one seller send me over 20 new pics. I had another seller take pics of the gun in sunlight for extreme clarity. I was so impressed, I bid and won. When I received the rifle, I was very pleased.
Then again, you have the seller who refuses to respond or does not want to comply -- I pass. I always pay utmost attemtion to feedback.
When I see "Item was not as described..." I avoid.
Sellers like Nunn take so may pics and offer very detailed descriptions, the excuse for misrepresented wont fly.
A lot of people, myself included, sell things because we've decided we don't want to own them anymore. Such sales don't come with return guarantees. If you're trying to clean out stuff, you're "nuts" to be selling to people who cannot figure out whether or not they want what you are selling and want some "no questions asked return guarantee" like they're shopping at Walmart.
Most of what I buy (in terms of firearms) are "as is" sales. I know what I want; I know how to evaluate an item by looking at the pictures of what I'm buying. If I'm not provided with the information I need to make a decision about an "as is" item I'm considering buying, I pass.
Of course, an "as is" sale is not some protection for the seller if he commits fraud (as seems to be the suggestion). A seller cannot offer to sell a "Beretta 92" with no pictures, then ship a plastic toy gun -- and tell the buyer, when he complains -- "Ha, ha! It was an "as is" sale; you're stuck with what I shipped you!"
"As is" does not mean one can misrepresent an item and a buyer then has no recourse. Nor does "as is" mean "mistakes" or overlooked defects, by a seller mean the contract of the sale cannot be reversed.
WELL SAID!!!!!
I would like to add buyers remorse I have run into this as others I am sure . where the buyer gets caught up in a auction bids it high then two days later the same item comes up for a lot less . so they want there money back fill in the blank for a reason. all not true maybe the wife or mom or who ever demanding them to recover the money or they realize they screw up on the auction with there bid . I have always worked with everyone but that one always makes me mad
quote:Originally posted by Horse Plains Drifter
quote:Originally posted by competentone
A lot of people, myself included, sell things because we've decided we don't want to own them anymore. Such sales don't come with return guarantees. If you're trying to clean out stuff, you're "nuts" to be selling to people who cannot figure out whether or not they want what you are selling and want some "no questions asked return guarantee" like they're shopping at Walmart.
Most of what I buy (in terms of firearms) are "as is" sales. I know what I want; I know how to evaluate an item by looking at the pictures of what I'm buying. If I'm not provided with the information I need to make a decision about an "as is" item I'm considering buying, I pass.
Of course, an "as is" sale is not some protection for the seller if he commits fraud (as seems to be the suggestion). A seller cannot offer to sell a "Beretta 92" with no pictures, then ship a plastic toy gun -- and tell the buyer, when he complains -- "Ha, ha! It was an "as is" sale; you're stuck with what I shipped you!"
"As is" does not mean one can misrepresent an item and a buyer then has no recourse. Nor does "as is" mean "mistakes" or overlooked defects, by a seller mean the contract of the sale cannot be reversed.
WELL SAID!!!!!
One gun had a short, "original" barrel. When I got it I took it to a gunsmith to be checked out only to find it had been lined and machined off. I sent the Gunsmiths report with my letter to the dealer and he took the gun back.
Second one the pictures where taken with close ups of the really good parts and angles where the bad parts did not show up. "All completely original, Steel, wood, bore and crown all excellent" The gun had surface rust and some very light pitting all over the barrel, butt looks to have a crack repair. I would rate the bore a good for a old gun. The gun operates as it should.
So for I can not get the seller to reply.
From now on I will change my buying process to the point of pictures of what I want and a agreement if there is a problem I was not told about, pitting, wrong parts, the deal will be off and the total cost will be returned. Or maybe back to hands on buying.