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80% receivers
lorus
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Hello all.
While waiting for my NYC rifle permit to arrive I decided to occupy myself with something different. Why not build a rifle?
After researching the topic I realized, that I can pretty much own most of the rifle parts without the permit except for the receiver. But even at that I can buy an unfinished receiver and finish it myself.
A banal question, but ... what kind of tools would I need? And while on the topic, is it worth it to perheaps build a receiver according to specs myself? Is it worth it, or do I just pay extra $$$ for complete receiver or complete rifle for that matter?
The fact is that I will get 10 times more enjoyment out of shooting a rifle that I have built myself.
Eugene.
While waiting for my NYC rifle permit to arrive I decided to occupy myself with something different. Why not build a rifle?
After researching the topic I realized, that I can pretty much own most of the rifle parts without the permit except for the receiver. But even at that I can buy an unfinished receiver and finish it myself.
A banal question, but ... what kind of tools would I need? And while on the topic, is it worth it to perheaps build a receiver according to specs myself? Is it worth it, or do I just pay extra $$$ for complete receiver or complete rifle for that matter?
The fact is that I will get 10 times more enjoyment out of shooting a rifle that I have built myself.
Eugene.
Comments
Thanks,
cbxjeff<P>It's too late for me, save yourself. <br>
I have done 4
You need a steady drill press or even better is a milling machine.
several drills,reamers and the big bit a ns tap for the buffer tube.
cpermd
ps ..I think the manufacturing licenses is about a $1000 ...if your still interested
"FEAR the Goverment, that fears your ARMS"
80% receiver. Plus, being in NYC, no legal chance.
Further, you have no control of the metallurgy. I personally would not even consider this project. 101
I have "Built" several AR's, AK's & HK's from completed receivers ... there is no law that says you can't!
FURTHER -
The BTAF allows you to "build" (from scratch) 1 firearm per year for your personal use (but must conform to BTAF code 922R), it cannot be sold but may be "handed down" or willed to an heir. It does not have to be serial numbered but must be marked so that it can be positively identified.
If you buy a finished receiver (with serial number), the BTAF regards that as "the weapon", regardless if it is complete or not and you must fill out the 4473 (yellow sheet) and pass a NICS background in order for it to be transferred to you.
Ditto what cpermd says in his post: quote: you need a steady drill press or even better is a milling machine. Several drills, reamers and the big bit a ns tap for the buffer tube. It can be done but is more expensive than buying a completed receiver.
Lastly, your state of residence would still prevail and you must also conform to the states requirements such as the permit.
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The only bad thing about choosing a Kimber ...
... there are so darn many models to choose from!
kimberkid@gunbroker.zzn.com
? otherwise, you'll find an excuse.
Have you ever thought about reading the actual laws.
They are all HIGHLY visible at ATF.Com.
Please read before posting.
You look a lot less stupid that way.
cpermd
Edited by - cpermd on 07/13/2002 07:45:44
I know because i lived there for 21 years and just last year moved
up state 109 miles away from that sh*t hole,a few words to the wise
about that B.S. N.Y.C. Rifle/shotgun permit,first of all you must register all guns you buy,that means your local police precint has
the make model and serial number of all your guns which is not too bad IF the ones you have REMAIN LEGAL in the city if they dont
the COPS WILL COME TO YOUR HOME AND TAKE THEM or if you keep your "permit" up to date IF YOU LET IT EXPIRE by one day THE COPS COME AND TAKE YOUR GUNS TOO (they know what you have and where you have them)
If you want to buy rifles and shotguns (not pistols) just drive
into long island (nassau or Sufkolk county) you could buy them with just your drivers license and a NICS check there.Long island does not have a rifle shotgun permit scheme nor do they enforce city laws.
although some kmarts and sports authoritys that sell guns wont sell
it to you buy only out of thier choice not the law.
so just go to a large GUN DEALERSHIP on long island and they wont give you any trouble at all.
When you buy a gun there you go through a Federal back gound check
(NICS) which takes 15 minutes to three days depending on how common your last name is, once you get approved you go home with your gun
the only thing is once you drive into the city with it you are in poseson of an "un registered" gun and will get in trouble ,BUT you are violating a city statute you were APPROVED by the federal government to have said gun so how much trouble you will have i dont know.I just gave you all this information because you do have options
as a gun owner in the city as much as the liberal filth bag lawmakers
would not want you to know about.the "legal" thing to do is get the permit and register your guns but back in 1989 when the city banned assault weapons everyone who dit the "legal" thing got them conficated
but the mayers henchmen (they went to the homes of registerd owners of AR-15's and weapons similur and TOOK THEM.remember the one true
GUN PERMIT is the SECOND AMENDMENT, Good Luck friend.
JIM......
Edited by - JIM STARK on 07/14/2002 05:09:19
OH and Mr kimberkid. I suggest you look up the difference between "manufacture" & "assemble"! .AND if you do "manufacture" a firearm, PLEASE be careful! You might hurt someone with that rubber band! Like Mr Stark, that's seems to be his caliber! .AGAIN, my 2 cents!!! .Mark
"FEAR the Goverment, that fears your ARMS"
"You must have a license to manufacture a firearm period."
jlc
AND if you don't beleive me, contact them yourself!
JLCHESTER@SEATT.ATF.treas.gov
"FEAR the Goverment, that fears your ARMS"
With certain exceptions a firearm may be made by a nonlicensee provided it is not for sale and the maker is not prohibited from possessing firearms. However, a person is prohibited from making a semiautomatic assault weapon or assembling a nonsporting semiautomatic rifle or nonsporting shotgun from imported parts. In addition, the making of an NFA firearm requires a tax payment and approval by ATF. An application to make a machinegun will not be approved unless documentation is submitted showing that the firearm is being made for a federal or state agency. [18 U. S. C. 922( o), (r), (v), and 923, 27 CFR 178.39, 178.40, 178.41 and 179.105]
I am fully aware of the difference between "manufacture" & "assemble", thats why I specified that I have "Built" several AR's, AK's & HK's from completed receivers ... note the quote marks.
I think if you re-read my initial post you'll see I also state "your state of residence would still prevail and you must also conform to the states requirements"
I refuse to engage in a "war of wits" with an un-armed person.
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The only bad thing about choosing a Kimber ...
... there are so darn many models to choose from!
kimberkid@gunbroker.zzn.com
? otherwise, you'll find an excuse.
To err is human, to moo is bovine.
Mr kimberkid, your the one that jumped in claiming
"I have "Built" several AR's, AK's & HK's from completed receivers ... there is no law that says you can't!"
NOBODY asked if it was legal to "built" a firearm on a receiver! Mr LORUS asked if he could MANUFACTURE one (that's' what your doing finishing a 80% receiver) Then Mr CPERMD jumped on the band wagon slinging mud! But you are right about thing ...I refuse to engage in a "war of wits" with an un-armed person! And Buddy, you are out of ammo! GOOD LUCK to you SIR! .You'll need it!
"FEAR the Goverment, that fears your ARMS"
To err is human, to moo is bovine.
To err is human, to moo is bovine.
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The only bad thing about choosing a Kimber ...
... there are so darn many models to choose from!
kimberkid@gunbroker.zzn.com
? otherwise, you'll find an excuse.
1.) I have asked ATF what there ruling is on this and have ONLY restated their answer. (You have seen my thoughts on what I think of govt. depts.!)
2.) There is a reality factor here, IF you lock horns with the law over this you WILL LOOSE! EVEN if you are right. I have seen it happen locally around me and everybody has seen it nationally ...is it worth the headaches? Ultimately only you can judge ...when I was younger I may have been in thick of it, but now that I'm older and have seen the "real" world, I'd think hard on it, if it was worth it. AND when can you guarantee anything in a court of law, remember O.J.? My 2 cents (last ones - promise!*G*). ...Mark
"FEAR the Goverment, that fears your ARMS"
Neal
As to your position on quote:2.) There is a reality factor here, IF you lock horns with the law over this you WILL LOOSE! EVEN if you are right. I have seen it happen locally around me and everybody has seen it nationally ...is it worth the headaches? Ultimately only you can judge ...when I was younger I may have been in thick of it, but now that I'm older and have seen the "real" world, I'd think hard on it, if it was worth it.Although that wasn't asked either, there is truth in what you say, the BTAF has been running rampant for too many years ... kinda like the IRS, but to quote an old saying:
Evil triumphs when good men do nothing.
If we don't exercise our rights they are as good as gone, are you willing to give up more rights before they have even been taken?
Neal - I believe that was my thread about building the AR's, AK's and HK's ... I like to tinker, but have no desire to do "time", I assure you they were/are 922R compliant. When something says anything about 922 or NFA I pay attention.
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The only bad thing about choosing a Kimber ...
... there are so darn many models to choose from!
kimberkid@gunbroker.zzn.com
Edited by - kimberkid on 07/17/2002 18:45:58
? otherwise, you'll find an excuse.