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Walther PP - PPK - PPK/S

seb1999seb1999 Member Posts: 343 ✭✭✭
edited July 2002 in Ask the Experts
Am I correct in my understanding of the above models?

PP is a Walther Police Pistol

PPK is a Walther Police Pistol, Kompact and that it differs only from the PP in barrel length and that the grip size is the same as a PP or is the grip smaller as well.

PPK/S is a PPK but in Stainless Steel.

DO I have this correct or am I misguided?

Your expert help is always appreciated.
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  • airborneairborne Member Posts: 1,728 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    seb1999,

    You are basically correct.

    PP = "Polizei Pistole"
    PPK = "Polizei Pistole Kurz"

    If you are considering purchasing a Walther take your time and search for a Walther PP, .380 Cal, German manufacture.

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  • gravediggergravedigger Member Posts: 945 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I believe the PPK/S is a PP frame with a PPK slide. Also I believe PPK stands for Polizei Pistole Kriminal (or Criminal Police Pistol).

    -Marcus

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  • Der GebirgsjagerDer Gebirgsjager Member Posts: 1,673 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Gravedigger is correct.
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  • airborneairborne Member Posts: 1,728 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Who's right, just checked another resource. Initially I said PPK stands for 'Polizei Pistole Kurz', source "Blue Book of Gun Values", Twenty Third Edition, pg 1442.

    After reading gravedigger's response had to recheck to be sure, rechecked and it still reads 'Polizei Pistole Kurz'. Then I got out an older edition, "Blue Book of Gun Values", Twenty Second Edition, pg 1385, it states 'Polizei Pistole Kriminal'.

    Then I pulled out "Gun Trader's Guide", Twenty Second Edition and they state PPK, Polizeipistole Kriminal (Detective Pistol).

    Find it strange the same publication says something different a year later. Quite honestly I thought 'Kriminal' was what the 'K' stood for until my initial check. Gravedigger, thanks for keeping me on my toes.

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  • rsnyder55rsnyder55 Member Posts: 2,526 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Two more pieces of information. The first is the PPK/S was originally bluee steel. The second is that the PPK/S was created to bypass the restrictins of the GCA 1968 which prevented the PPK from being imported any longer. Before that the only models were the PP and the PPK.
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  • rsnyder55rsnyder55 Member Posts: 2,526 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Two more pieces of information. The first is the PPK/S was originally bluee steel. The second is that the PPK/S was created to bypass the restrictins of the GCA 1968 which prevented the PPK from being imported any longer. Before that the only models were the PP and the PPK.
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  • seamusseamus Member Posts: 96 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    After being posted in Germany for 3 years, my understanding is that PPK stands for 'Polizei Pistole Kriminal', so called because its size makes it the weapon that is used by plain clothed criminal detectives. KURZ is German for "short," and refers to the size of the cartridge that the PPK holds, which is a short 9mm (called .380 caliber in the U.S.). The size of the PPK barrel is 9mm, just like any other 9mm gun, but a 9mm luger or parabellum (Sp?) round will not fit into the pistol's chamber. Only the .380 caliber, or 9mm Kurz, will fit.
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  • seamusseamus Member Posts: 96 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    One other thing. This is confusing: 9mm Kurz stands for both the diameter of the bullet (9mm), and the short (or Kurz) length of the cartridge. On the other hand, technically, caliber .380 stands for only the diameter of a bullet (and .380 is the same diameter as a full size 9mm round). In the U.S., however, I believe when pistol rounds are sold as ".380s," the cartridges so designated are always the short size that will fit only the PPK type pistols. To quote an expert (which I am not): "please correct me if I'm wrong."
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  • Iroquois ScoutIroquois Scout Member Posts: 930 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    The bullet diameter of the 9MM Parabellum (Luger) cartridge as well as the 9MM Kurz (380 A.P.C) is .355-.356 inch not .380. Confusing isn't it?
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  • JgreenJgreen Member Posts: 2,579 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    It is my understanding that it was only after 1968 that stainless steel guns were made, and then, only the american made ones. Is this true?
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