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Rare 1849 colt ??????
swiftyswede
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Does anyone know anything about the 1849 colt, half-round half-octogonal . How to authenticate one? and an estimated value in very goos condition... Thank you
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He labels them unequivocally as fakes, that date back as early as the 1930's, and have duped museums and authors over the years.
Flayderman in his bible, devotes some ink to your variant, "part round/part octagon, dragoon type barrel", in the section on the Model 1849.
He labels them unequivocally as fakes, that date back as early as the 1930's, and have duped museums and authors over the years.
This is my understanding as well. An attempt to introduce a variant to increase value.
Love them Pre-64's!!!!-Bob
You must have been looking at the one in Little John's auction Monday night... were you there? I was in the back (near the bar). That pistol sold fairly cheap for what it was.
Bert H.
Real Men use a SINGLE-SHOT!
WACA Historian & Life Member
Bert, this is in reference to gun at LJA, I bought it in addition to the pond shaped s&W no.2. I bought this gun knowing what flaydermin says about them. But it appears that this is one of the few times John Gangle, the auctioneer, will disagree with Norm Flaydermin.
According to the item discription one exists in the colt factory collection, which would have to date prior to the earliest known date of 1930 that norm flaydermin gave it, putting a hole in Norm's argument ????? Now the dilemna is who to believe. Noted colt collector William Locke had one in his collection and put it in his book believing that they were original. What does everyone think?
I personally am not an expert on any of those old Colt pistols (old Winchesters are my primary focus... and I bought that really clean Model 1885 low-wall on Sunday, and the Model 1904 last night), but several of the fellows that I hang out with (at the round table right next to the bar) are very knowledgeable. I am sure that you know a few of them (Walt Hallstein, Dick Engle, Dick Holt, Doug Burdick). Walt and Dick E. both made comments about that particular gun probably being authentic, and Dick was almost going to bid on it (he backed because of a warning his other half gave him before coming to the auction[B)]). T
he problem that you face (at least to my way of thinking), is that there is contrary published information about what appears to be a very rare variant. Old Norm F. is indeed quite knowledgeable, but he is not a true Colt expert. John Gangel is also very versed when it comes to those old Colts, but I honestly do not know the full extent of his knowledge (for those that know him personally, we all know just how outspoken he is).
Good luck with searching out the history of your new Colt[:)]
Bert H.
Real Men use a SINGLE-SHOT!
WACA Historian & Life Member
Hello everyone,
Bert, this is in reference to gun at LJA, I bought it in addition to the pond shaped s&W no.2. I bought this gun knowing what flaydermin says about them. But it appears that this is one of the few times John Gangle, the auctioneer, will disagree with Norm Flaydermin.
According to the item discription one exists in the colt factory collection, which would have to date prior to the earliest known date of 1930 that norm flaydermin gave it, putting a hole in Norm's argument ????? Now the dilemna is who to believe. Noted colt collector William Locke had one in his collection and put it in his book believing that they were original. What does everyone think?
I "think" Flayderman has been at this for 50 years, and he knows what he's talking about. Hope you didn't pay a lot of money for your jewel.
As far as John Gangel is concerned, I've know him for over 30 years. ( I sold him guns before he was 21 years old, his old man had to sign the paperwork ) No offense is meant in this, but to compare him to Norm Flayderman is ludicrous.