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M1 Garand Question
CS8161
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I know that there are narrow base and wide base gas
cylinders for M1 Garands.. I have been told that a
M1 Garand (manufactured around 1944) should have a wide base
cylinder... My question is, will a narrow base fit the
rifle? there seems to be more narrow base cylinders up for
auction then wide base...
thanks
rick
cylinders for M1 Garands.. I have been told that a
M1 Garand (manufactured around 1944) should have a wide base
cylinder... My question is, will a narrow base fit the
rifle? there seems to be more narrow base cylinders up for
auction then wide base...
thanks
rick
Comments
Some time ago I was at a Big5 sporting goods and I saw a M1 Garand for sale in their used gun section. The price was $61.00.
I didn't buy it, because at the time I was waiting for a transplant and I didn't think I would survive the year, let alone ever getting to use the gun!
Now I received my transplant and I came on these boards to see if I could find one. Imagine my surprise, when I saw the prices the garands are fetching here!
I was a Lieutenant in the Italian army, attached to an American base in northern Italy, and at the time (early 80's) I had a Winchester made M1. I loved that gun, I found it precise and reliable and now I think of it fondly. I remember envying the American soldiers, with their M16 and their repeating fire, but my Garand was a pretty gun, and eventually I got assigned a beretta version with a folding stock and a larger magazine our paratroopers were using at the time. I got discharged with honor as a Captain, but in Italy owning a M1 is against the law (it is considered a war gun). After I moved to the states, started a family etc. I didn't think about it anymore.
Was my find an unusual one? Or some M1s are better than others (I suppose so, but $60 seemed like a deal to me)?
Also, my father owned a Benelli over-under and 2 beretta shotguns, special edition with carvings fine wood stock, etc. what are the procedures to import such a gun? Should I make another post to ask that question?
Thank you for your help, any answers will be greatly appreciated.
My tractor rifle is 5,097,7xx produced 1954-1956 and the barrel has a "funky" F on its side and a punch mark, D6535448, a space then 45, another space then A1800 a space and a widely seperated S A ( the A is kinda ground off) and then 11 52.
Does this barrel match the receiver? I understand that Springfield "bailed" out IHC when they had production problrms
What is the best reference book/guide to strart my Garand education?
the D model fires fine no problems but the C model will fire off two maybe three rounds then eject the clip with the remaining 5 or 6 rounds does not do it all the time but at least 50% of the time.i fire the same ammo in both rifles (surplus ball)and have even swapped clips from the D model but does not seem to make any difference..
another question is if i should need to get work done on these scopes any suggestions as to who would do it
My Grandfather is looking at a very nice Garand. The guy that has it is a friend of mine. He thinks it is worth some unbelievable amount of money. I just don't know. I just ordered a book on these things, but I really do not know a whole lot about them other than to watch your thumb. I don't want Granddad to get crucified on this thing, but I also don't want to anger a friend over an offer.
This is what I have so far:
Springfield Armory
SN: 2485755
Receiver: D 28291 32, D 2 3, #9674;, and a double stamped 4
Barrel: S-A-12-50, EXEL/GARDNER, MA (near front sight)
Bolt: D28287-19SA, D-14A
Operating Rod: D35382 6 SA
Trigger Housing: D28290-14-SA
Hammer: C46008-7 SA
STOCK: The stock is in very nice shape (surely refinished). I can only find a faint P inside a circle, and an X at the base of the "pistol grip" on the stock. There have been some repairs to the stock with pins, but no cracks are visible, and it looks very nice.
I don't know where to even look for other numbers. I have found a few places online, but I got a little too confused. It looks VERY nice, but I don't know on these things. My "friend" is saying it is worth $2000, and I just don't think so. I say $900 tops, just from what I have seen on GB.
What do you guys think???
Thanks,
Jamie
So while cleaning it up today what should I look for. This will be my 1st time Field Stripping it. Yesterday was the 1st time I shot it. Shot great at least as good as I shoot.
Thanks for the help.
added:Do have a field striping Guide.
added:But have just did a search how do I get that book since its not available in my area. Will try to get it ordered today and see how long it will take to get in.
Ammo is old Military still in their Bandoleers and on clips. Head stamp is "HXP 80"
May have the Manual coming in, local gun shop checked and his supplier says they have it. This was Kind of weird since that shop normally does not give me the time of day. Run by a retired COP and normally only talks to other COPS. But the Mention of a Garand got them talking to me. Will also look at the Fulton Armory, heard of them before, just forgot them. Will save their site on my Favorites list for future reference.
My question is regarding general value should my heirs decide to sell the rifle some time in the future: Rebarreling so it's a shooter vs just keeping it as it is to maintain it as close to original as possible? Any suggestions from the experts? (The more I try to learn about these rifles I realize how much more studying I need to do.)
Can anyone give me an idea what this is? Who C A T is? Is value comarible to armoury rebuild?
Thanks for the help.
W.D.
The US military did convert some service grade rifles to "National Match" configuration for use in competitive shooting.
Last year a friend paid $1,000 for a "National Match" rifle (without consulting with me first), & I found it was a $400 shot-out "rack grade" rifle with a $35 National Match front sight.
When you post the photos of the rifle, including parts & government documentation, we'll let you know what he has.
Neal
The serial number would be helpful in identifying what you have.
The eagle with the three stars on the stock is an acceptance stamp and is not unique to NM rifles.
As Neal said, some military M1 Rifles were rebuilt into National Match grade rifles. Others were made up on new receivers into NM rifles.
The serial number would be helpful in identifying what you have.
The eagle with the three stars on the stock is an acceptance stamp and is not unique to NM rifles.
The stars are on the receiver, not the stock. I'm still waiting for the seller to drop it off so I can get some photos.
http://www.thecmp.org/m1garand.htm
Enjoy:
http://www.scott-duff.com/NationalMatch.htm
Let the buyer beware: There are TONS of faked National Match Rifles out there. One of the worst ones I've seen had "NATIONAL MATCH" stamped along the mid barrel in 1/2" font, as well as laterally along the left side of the butt stock. In general, if it doesn't have a Springfield Arsenal receiver - look at it with a cautious eye.