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machine gun question
joshmb1982
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i was talking with a few of the guys in GD and got me wondering if what id thought was wrong about them. i read the sticky about nfa items and i was always under the impression that "TRANSFERABLE" machine guns were the only ones legal for non military/police to own? Ant this was why prices were so high as theres a very limited number available.
Transferable. These guns were made AND registered prior to May 19,1986. These are the guns on the open market and are legal for sale and use by anyone.
But if thats true how come i see vids on you tube of people with full auto sig 556s and other newer design firearms? or is it theres just a common sear for these newer firearms and there using a pre-registered sear? Or are civilians allowed to buy new manufactured full auto firearms ?
Transferable. These guns were made AND registered prior to May 19,1986. These are the guns on the open market and are legal for sale and use by anyone.
But if thats true how come i see vids on you tube of people with full auto sig 556s and other newer design firearms? or is it theres just a common sear for these newer firearms and there using a pre-registered sear? Or are civilians allowed to buy new manufactured full auto firearms ?
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A second option is to be a C3 dealer/SOT FFL and get a friendly LEO department to request demos on their letter head, that way *you* get them as part of your business for demo purposes.
Finally, the US isn't the only country in the world and in some places it is easier to own full auto stuff....
Also there are TONS of NFA violations being shown on video sites, along with stuff not from the US.
Neal
"Show it to me in black & white, & I'll take your word for it." --- Neal
EDIT: Yes, Law Enforcement Agency. From ATF P5300.4--
Machine Guns
? 479.105 Transfer and possession
of machine guns.
(a) General. As provided by 26
U.S.C. 5812 and 26 U.S.C. 5822, an
application to make or transfer a
firearm shall be denied if the making,
transfer, receipt, or possession
of the firearm would place the maker
or transferee in violation of law.
Section 922(o), Title 18, U.S.C.,
makes it unlawful for any person to
transfer or possess a machine gun,
except a transfer to or by, or possession
by or under the authority of,
the United States or any department
or agency thereof or a State, or a
department, agency, or political
subdivision thereof; or any lawful
transfer or lawful possession of a
machine gun that was lawfully possessed
before May 19, 1986. Therefore,
notwithstanding any other
provision of this part, no application
to make, transfer, or import a machine
gun will be approved except
as provided by this section.
(b) Machine guns lawfully possessed
prior to May 19, 1986. A
machine gun possessed in compliance
with the provisions of this part
prior to May 19, 1986, may continue
to be lawfully possessed by the
person to whom the machine gun is
registered and may, upon compliance
with the provisions of this part,
be lawfully transferred to and possessed
by the transferee.
(c) Importation and manufacture.
Subject to compliance with the
provisions of this part, importers and
manufacturers qualified under this
part may import and manufacture
machine guns on or after May 19,
1986, for sale or distribution to any
department or agency of the United
States or any State or political subdivision
thereof, or for use by dealers
qualified under this part as sales
samples as provided in paragraph
(d) of this section. The registration of
such machine guns under this part
and their subsequent transfer shall
be conditioned upon and restricted
to the sale or distribution of such
weapons for the official use of Federal,
State or local governmental
entities. Subject to compliance with
the provisions of this part, manufacturers
qualified under this part may
manufacture machine guns on or
after May 19, 1986, for exportation
in compliance with the Arms Export
Control Act (22 U.S.C. 2778) and
regulations prescribed thereunder
by the Department of State.
(d) Dealer sales samples. Subject
to compliance with the provisions
of this part, applications to
transfer and register a machine gun
manufactured or imported on or
after May 19, 1986, to dealers qualified
under this part will be approved
if it is established by specific information
the expected governmental
customers who would require a
demonstration of the weapon, information
as to the availability of the
machine gun to fill subsequent orders,
and letters from governmental
entities expressing a need for a
particular model or interest in seeing
a demonstration of a particular
weapon. Applications to transfer
more than one machine gun of a
particular model to a dealer must
also establish the dealer's need for
the quantity of samples sought to be
transferred.
(e) The making of machine
guns on or after May 19, 1986.
Subject to compliance with the provisions
of this part, applications to
make and register machine guns on
or after May 19, 1986, for the benefit
of a Federal, State or local governmental
entity (e.g., an invention for
possible future use of a governmental
entity or the making of a weapon
in connection with research and
development on behalf of such an
entity) will be approved if it is established
by specific information that
the machine gun is particularly suitable
for use by Federal, State or
local governmental entities and that
the making of the weapon is at the
request and on behalf of such an
entity
Hopefully Mark will give us his opinion, but I do not believe that an individual LEO can get a post-1986 full auto, transferable or not. An LEA can, but not an LEO.
Neal
"Show it to me in black & white, & I'll take your word for it." --- Neal
LEA.. law enforcement agency?
Of course, with a small agency, and everyone helping eachother out, it happens. Same with training agencies...