Needing your opinions on guns

ctrulson

I'm looking to buy my son a 22 rifle to competition shoot. He is only 10 yrs old so i don't need anything to exspensive.I'm looking at a ruger 10/22 with bullbarrel and thumbhole stock ,Marlin model 880sq 22lr which also has the bullbarrel and is a bolt action and finally a Savage Mark ll-fv 22lr which is also bolt action with bullbarrel. Which would you suggest.

rameleni1

I own a 10/22, and love it. It has the stock barrel, and I can hit a quarter at 100 yards, everytime. The only thing I would suggest is getting the ruger with the softer pull trigger. I think they are around 200.00

Rameleni1

Kadaver

i also have a 10/22 with a bull barrel, and prefer dimes at 100 yards.....

I would also suggest a softer trigger pull....go to

http://www.rimfiresports.com/

... and get a trigger with the over travel adjustment and the Target hammer....That hammer lowered my trigger pull from something like 8 pounds to under 2 pounds and i love it.

E.Williams

The Ruer 10/22 is good but I would reccomend the Thompson Center Classic.It is very nicely made and extremely accurate.You can pick one up for around $275.00 and I would say it has potential to out shoot the 10/22 as experience grows.He will have an edge in the competitions.

Eric S. Williams

Edited by - E.Williams on 08/03/2002 19:06:57

Nighthawk

For accuracy I would go with the Marlin 880,the 10/22 is a very good gun but for stock Ive found the barrel band to hinder constant accuracy.


Best!!

Rugster

dheffley

I would go with the bolt action Savage. It is a very accurate gun, and the bolt action will slow him down, teach him proceedure, and train him in patience with his shots.

PS, Let him learn on open sights before you scope it for him.

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Edited by - dheffley on 08/03/2002 21:39:32

altos

There will be many posts recommending the 10/22. If these folks are happy with them, great ! More power to them and I sincerely hope they enjoy their rifle for years.

However... a couple of comments from me that you should take with a grain of salt:

- an entire industry is built around making the 10/22 "right". If it's not barrels it's triggers or 91 other "things". While ecomincally appealing to after market sellers and those that love diddling with a rifle, the question becomes "why?". Plan on at least doubling the initial cost of any stock 10/22. Plus scope. Assuming you do it yourself. Custom... well... that's a bit more.

- claims of accuracy are always... interesting. Instead of relying on this board go to a range and see some g-o-o-d shooters at 100 yards with ANY 22LR. Ruger, Kimber, Thompson, Anschutz... any of them. Watch some silouette shooting at the long targets. Frankly, and with NO disrespect to previous posters, consistently hitting a dime at 100 yards is beyond the accuracy of available ammunition in the hands of a good shooter with a good rifle. Doesn't matter if it's Lapua, ELEY, Dynamit Nobel/RWS ammunition. Or what rifle. Ask the folks at the range (nicely) if they can place 5 inside a 5/8" (a dime) circle at 100 yards. See what they say. Even better, give them $10 to cover the cost of 50 rounds and ask them to show you.

- suggestion... look at used Anschutz single shots. They are not flashy. The won't pump out 20 rounds rapid fire. They can be had at a reasonable cost. They hold value. They don't need much, if anything.

The used Anschutz won't be a $200 rifle. Then again, any 10/22 that can come close to a stock Anshutz will cost AT LEAST as much as the Anschutz.

Ok, my opinion. Take it with a grain of salt (as with ALL posts). Regardless, I wish all those with comments the best accuracy and skill possible, regardless of what you have or shoot or choose. And... I hope your son enjoys whatever choice is made. As they say, it's not the end result, but the journey...

enjoy,

modoc

If I was running the show,no young person would be allowed to fire an automatic wherever he is shooting.One thing for safety reasons as they are harder to clear than a bolt action,plus the inexperienced some times forget that there are rounds behind the one in the chamber.The second thing is that a single shot or bolt tends to make for a better shooter as they take delibert action to load which gives time to keep mentally alert.I screwed myself up with my first auto as "there is another one behind that one so why care if you miss the first shot".
Bad habit to get into.One of the most important things in comp. shooting is mindset.That is also the important item in hunting.Make each shot count.Makes for a more deliberate consentration.I have a 10-22 myself but my grandson will never shoot it.At least as long as I am alive.BOLTS are for serious work.AUTOS are for fun.MY 2 cents....

BILL
KEEP YOUR POWDER DRY.BUT NOT HOT.....

pickenup

I agree with modoc. I gave my son a lever action single shot to start with. It taught him good shooting/safety basics. It was easy to move up from there.

If I knew then, what I know now.

punchie

dheffley and modoc just gave some real good advise. I'll second the Savage but also look at the Chipmunk bull brl guns, single shot bolt,and probably in a size that fits him.

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rewirerog2

Agree with the Marlin 880. Great shooter, very accurate. I won't let my 10-yr old nephew touch my 10/22, but he can shoot the Marlin. A bolt action makes you more aware of where the round is, he can see the spent shell eject and chamber a fresh round. A much safer way to teach respect for firearms. My opinion.

ddhotbot

the 10-22 is a great rifle but i must agree that a young one should start off with a single or at least a bolt action.one gun that i really love for this purpose is the remington 514 single shot.very accurrate and can be found for under $150 in great cond.just my 2cents ,keep on bangin boys ,don

Educator

Altos and Modoc...very well said, 10/22's are fun and for certain competitions are the only way to go (after you've spent 3-600 dollars to make them right). But you can't beat a good bolt action and the Anschutz youth target rifle can be had quite reasonably (it also comes with a single shot adapter). One other option that hasn't been mentioned is the CZ 452 scout. It is inexpensive, accurate, and has single shot and repeater capabilities. It is also sized for youngster which is extremely important if your going to teach them right. I also agree with the post about teaching them to shoot iron sights first. And bravo for taking a child shooting!!!!
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"When in doubt...whip it out!"

Pearyw

I would take a look at the Romanian surplus .22 bolt actions that are available right now in the $75 range. I put a scope on one and have been impressed with the accuracy. They are a real deal for an all steel and wood rifle.

ATF

I got a customer a Savage Bolt Action Bull barrel,and he loves it.He has had it about two years now.

ATF

sgt.207

If he is small sized then serously look at the Chipmunk and/or Cricket .22 rifles which are single shot, bolt action .22's which also need to be cocked for each shot.

Check out http://www.crickett.com/ for further info.

I started my boys with it first, now their shooting the Ruger 10/22, Rem Nylon 66, and Rem .410 shotgun.

martzkj@msn.com

Anschutz, Anschutz, Anschutz. If you want to be competitive, you wouldn't bring a horse to a drag race. If you start with inferior equipment you are already putting your son behind. The plus side to buying a good match rifle you can always get your money back out of it if he doesn't like the sport. Check the local schools they are dumping rifle team guns like crazy in my area. You should be able to find a nice 54 match rifle with sights for around $600.00. Once you shoot one of these guns you will see why they are worth the money. This would not be a top notch gun, but a damn fine starter and intermediate level gun.

altos

Ok... let me do the patronizine "martzkj waltz". Actually, it's a self serving "I'm not the Lone Ranger ??" cover-my-butt. Regardless, may I humbly say "he's right". I have a 1710D 54 action that I will be training my 9 year old daughter on in about 3 months. While it has a magazine and is (obviously) bolt action, she will shoot it single shot. She will learn that shooting isn't squeezing off 25 rounds to impress the person on the next station. Frankly, I have seen too much of it. The kids doing so can't hit cra*, but its "fun" to make-bang a bunch of times....

On a good day... I can group 3/8" at 50 yards, outside to outside measurement. I am an old fart. Gray/Grey beard. I am blind in one eye and can't see out of the other. But I bought a 1710D because I DIDN'T want to diddle with make-belive rifles to train my daughter. She will learn and learn well. Some day she will shoot my M1A or PSS, but until then, may I suggest that it doesn't need to be fancy or popular to be "right". Single shot, quality, and if you need to diddle, diddle, diddle to make it shoot, well... draw your own conclusions.

Whether Kimber, Anschutz, Thompson, Ruger... any of them, start with quality and enjoy.

For pure amusement, if you have the opportunity, slide the bolt of an Anschutz 1710 54 (or equivalent) and compare against ANY other make. and... they can be purchased used from competition shooters who take care of them. Look for a good used barrel, well maintained. Not that expensive. And it will last f-o-r-e-v-e-r.

Just an opinion.

10x to all.

enjoy,