416 Remington

quamnet

I asked this question on the other board and had no responses. I was just wondering if anyone has ever shot a 416 remington and could tell me first hand how bad it is shoot. I heard that most people cannot handle it and was wondering how it compared to 12 or even 10 gauge as far as kick (obviously much worse I assume though). Being 180 lbs I just wondered........

quamnet

Any one have any experience with the 416 Remingtton?

Do not hear much about it in what I read.

Sage 1

aglore

Never shot the 416 Rem Mag, but I have owned a couple of 416 Rigbys and a couple of 416 Taylors. All 3 will launch a 400 grain bullet at 2400 FPS. The Reming version is probably not as bad as the 12 guage shotgun. Recoil I would say is just a little bit more than the 338 or 375 H&H. If you are 180 pounds as stated you should be able to handle the recoil ok. If you are over 6' you should be able to handle it even better. Tall lanky people can flow with the recoil better than short heavy people.

AlleninAlaska

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rick_reno

I had a 416 Rem from Sako (I sold it here last year). It kicked, on full power loads it had a lot of recoil. It's a sharper recoil than the 416 Rigby, I've shot a friends Rigby in a Dakota rifle and it's a slower recoil than the remington. The Rem. is sharper. Comparing it to a 12 ga. shotgun, it's considerably more recoil. If you're bothered by recoil I'd stay away from that caliber.

aglore

Rick, would you please explain to me how a 400 grain bullet from the 416 Rem. at 2400 FPS has more recoil than a 400 grain bullet at 2400 FPS from a 416 Rigby with all things being equal.

The Dakota rifle has a custom fitted stock so that will help with the recoil.

Stock design, powder charge and rifle weight are the only things that make one of these cartridges comfortable to shoot.

The 416 Rem Mag in a 9# rifle puts out 64 Foot Pounds of recoil with a 84 grain powder charge. Make the rifle weight 10# and this drops to 58 Foot Pounds of recoil.

The 416 Rigby in a 9# rifle puts out 73 Foot Pounds of recoil with a 102 grain powder charge. Put this in a 10# rifle and it is still 65 Foot Pounds of recoil. Still more than the Remington in a 9# rifle. Put this in a 11# rifle and it comes down to 60 Foot Pounds of recoil.

The 375 H&H in a 7.5# rifle with a 300 grain bullet and a 82 grain powder charge will give you 59 Foot Pounds of recoil.

My 500 AHR with a custom fitted stock and a 570 grain bullet, 127 grain powder charge in a 11# rifle puts out 109 Foot Pounds of recoil. With a 535 grain bullet and 135 grains of powder it churns up 112 Foot Pounds of recoil.

A 12 guage shotgun puts out 56 Foot Pounds of recoil in a 7# shotgun with a ounce and a half shot load at 1400 FPS. That will feel far worse than a 416 going off because of the lousy stock designs of shotguns.

I'll take the 416 Rem. Mag over any of the above cartridges for shooting from the bench for sighting in purposes anyday with the exception of the 375 H&H or 338.

AlleninAlaska

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rick_reno

I know the physics of the recoil - and I understand they should be very close to the same (numbers). I can't explain why the felt recoil was less. It could be stock configuration; he had one of those mercury recoil gizmo's in the Rigby (I had a KDF brake on the Rem), gun weight (the Rigby was heavier). The recoil I felt was less and we had them side by side at his place in Oregon shooting them.