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What brass is best?

SnellstromSnellstrom Member Posts: 1,085 ✭✭
edited April 2004 in Ask the Experts
For years I've used Winchester brass for almost all of my reloading, for my favorite hunting rifle (30/06) and my varmint guns (22/250, 243) I've always worked up my loads in WW and for all of my hunts always WW, but the other day my brother said that Remington brass is more preferable by experienced loaders. I'm not a competitive target shooter, but I do shoot a lot at the bench and my guns shoot great, am I missing something? I've also used CCI primers for over 25 years and have heard some folks complain about them. Let me have it.

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  • JustCJustC Member Posts: 16,056 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    rem brass varies by lot as does WW. I have gotten horrible bags of both and have gotten great bags of both. I have recently purchased both 300RUM and 338RUM from rem,.and it turned out to be suprisingly consistent.

    Now,...the best brass is Lapua hands down,...followed by Norma,..closely followed.

    why chase the game when the bullet can get em from here?....
    Got Balistics?
  • SnellstromSnellstrom Member Posts: 1,085 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    I came across a bunch of Herters unfired brass and it is great, was Herters brass made by Norma for them?
  • cussedemguncussedemgun Member Posts: 985 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quick & easy way to grade your WW brass is resize, trim, & clean.
    check for defects & too short & discard any that are not same ol'-same ol' then weigh them & grade according to weight. the heavier the case the thicker the wall & lower internal volume. load in lots with like volume cases & your loads will bee more consistent on pressure & velosity. surplus military brass tends to be thicker & lower volume so less powder to reach max. pressure. if you seperate by headstamp & weight, you've done it about as good as possible.

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  • FrancFFrancF Member Posts: 35,279 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Now,...the best brass is Lapua hands down,...followed by Norma,..closely followed.

    Ditto [:D]

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  • JustCJustC Member Posts: 16,056 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    no clue as to herters brass,..iconoclast may be able to answer that one.

    The best way to seperate cases is by internal powder volume. First,..match prep all the cases (trim to length, chamfer and deburr mouth, deburr the flash hole, and uniform the primer pockets) Then load and fire the cases. Now,..without depriming them,..take and make a chart on paper with a square for each case,..weigh each case and record it's weight in grains,...then,..fill each case with water to the top and record this weight in grains,.now subtract the dry weight from the water filled weight, and you are left with the true internal capacity in grs, of each individual case. Seperate out all those in the lot with a 1%-2% variance,...and those are the most uniform of the lot. A small variance in case head or rim thickness can make 2 cases appear to be very different and make you think they the thickness of the body is very different,..when it is actually the case rim or case head variance which is of no consequence,..while the internal powder capacities could be identical. I have run this test on a batch of 50 lapua cases formed for my 280AI,..and there was less than 1% variance across the whole lot. Lapua and Norma brass saves you loads of prep time!!!!!!

    why chase the game when the bullet can get em from here?....
    Got Balistics?
  • CS8161CS8161 Member Posts: 13,596 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    The best brass....what a question....how can that be answered without detaile scientific analysis. Brass is brass and I use whatever I come across with the exception of A-MERC which is garbage.

    Chris8161
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  • savage12bvss300wsmsavage12bvss300wsm Member Posts: 106 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Lapua Brass is the best there is. Morma comes in a close second.

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  • nononsensenononsense Member Posts: 10,928 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Snellstrom,

    Herters brass was made by Norma. If you find any more, buy it, it's very good brass.

    That's a good comment about the current run of Remington brass, it has turned out to be very consistant and higher quality than before.

    Yes, Norma and Lapua make high quality brass, most of the time. But they, too can produce the odd run of low quality brass just like anyone else because they have done so. For the most part, their runs are generally good. Lapua does NOT make their own .223 brass, it is outsourced and is pretty bad stuff. Your best bet for .223 brass is IMI, especially if you're using it in volume for AR-15's or varmint shooting. The IMI .223 brass is not only consistant but sturdy as well.

    I try to assess the need for the best brass since it also carries a much higher price tag. If it's not for competition or my own ego trip, I will see if I can't find some top quality brass at a more reasonable price. After all, I have to have funds available for bullets, powder and primers, too.

    Best.
  • JustCJustC Member Posts: 16,056 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I will support nononsense on his position of need VS money. I use winchester or remington brass quite often in non-competition guns,..but Lapua/Norma ect for match guns,..if for nothing else but to eliminate that from my mind when the commence fire order is given. Mental preparation for a match is an important "intangable".



    why chase the game when the bullet can get em from here?....
    Got Balistics?
  • temblortemblor Member Posts: 2,153 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Snellstrom: For your purposes as you described, I doubt that you would see much improvement over your WW Brass that "shoots great" for you, unless it's for competition in a very accurate gun.-- I do agree with JustC and Franc's comments as a general rule. I think Laupa and Norma make very good brass but for general shooting the WW is fine as is Remington, but I think the Federal brass is a little thicker and loads very consistently too. -- I've gotten brass that wasn't all good from all of the above at one time or another, but Laupa has been the most consistent hands down.....but it should be for the price.......[8D]
  • SnellstromSnellstrom Member Posts: 1,085 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Thanks to all !I appreciate all the info. You all are a great group and full of good info, that's why I started posting and will continue.
  • bgjohnbgjohn Member Posts: 2,275 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I buy W-W or Remington bulk brass. I'm going to size & trim before I shoot it anyway. As long as you're not benchrest shooting I don't see much difference. Why pay premium prices when for most uses it doesn't matter. If I was rich I'd have nothing but the best, but I'm not.
    JM
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