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7mm mag

lightingboltlightingbolt Member Posts: 37 ✭✭
edited April 2004 in Ask the Experts
I've read articles and looked at charts and stuff, but have never actually shot the 7mm mag before. My questions are: 1) When compared to the .270 is the increase in performace worth the additional recoil and ammo cost (considering Eastern US hunting -- mostly whitetails)? 2) Is the 7mm mag as versatile as the .270 in regards to loads, bullet weights available, and hunting opportunities? Thanks.
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  • lightingboltlightingbolt Member Posts: 37 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    i got a 7mm mag and when i take to the range my first shot its two inches high at 100 yards my second shot at 1 inch higher my 3rd shot dead on 100 and every shot after that it stays around dead on. why does it shot 2inches low the first shot then levels off after a couple shots.
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  • lightingboltlightingbolt Member Posts: 37 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    i am lookin at gettin a 7mm mag for my big game hunting. but would like some info on the caliber before i go out and buy one? any info would be helpfull thanks.
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  • lightingboltlightingbolt Member Posts: 37 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Hi I would like to know what a Savage model#110cl 7mm mag is worth. The barrel legth is 26" blued. It's in real good condition. It has a simmons aetec 2.5 to 12 with A/O.The scope is only a year old. Regular butt plate taking off and a butt plate you just slip on is on it know.
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  • SnellstromSnellstrom Member Posts: 1,085 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Did this happen one time or several times with the same outcome? All the same ammo? If you give some more info we can help you get to the bottom of this.
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  • Contender ManContender Man Member Posts: 2,110 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Going to disregard the first mention of "2 inches high" as a "typo or ???"

    If the rifle repeatedly shoots the way you describe then you have a bedding problem as the POI shifts with the barrel warming.

    Remove the barrel/action from the stock and look over the stock. In the process of breaking the rifle down you will note if any of the hardware is loose. If you find that problem, retighten and try shooting again to see if things have changed. If all is tight, examine the internals of the stock. Has it been bedded? And if it has how does the bedding look, any sign of damage?

    If you don't find anything with the stock visual exam reassemble and check to see if the barrel is free floating. Use a piece of paper slipped between barrel and stock at the beginning of the forearm. If the paper passes all the way back to the action/stock bolt the barrel is fully floated, if the paper stops before then you have a partially floated barrel and that is typically not conducive to accuracy.

    If you find that the barrel is fully free floated use some heavy stock paper, business cards work well. Use 3-4 thicknesses under the barrel, an inch or so back from the tip of the forearm. Then fire the rifle to see what the change is.

    If you find that the barrel is partially floated use an appropriately sized dowl and starting w/ some medium grit sand paper smooth out the barrel channel from where the barrel ceases to be floating. Go slowly and finish off with some fine grit sand paper. Then reassemble and shoot to see what the change is. And if POI is still starting low and comming up as the barrel warms use the business card step outlined above.

    Many barrels like 6-8 pounds of upward pressure at near the end of the forearm.

    If you find no bedding in the stock at all and the barrel free floating then you may want to start by bedding the action, testing the rifle and then making a decision on bedding the barrel. and if you've never done any bedding work, you may want to look into having a gunsmith do the work for you. Regardless of bedding the carding to put upward pressure on the barrel should show improvements from cold POI to warm POI and if it don't then your back to the gunsmith option.


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  • BigGameHunter42BigGameHunter42 Member Posts: 224 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    wut kind of rifle is it ? are you using the same kind of ammmo (as mentioned before). more info would be help. how long are you waiting in betweem shots ?

    good luck [;)]


    it would be easier to help with more info

    7mm mag is a good cartridge what do you plan to hunt with it ?

    how long of a barrel ?
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  • Tailgunner1954Tailgunner1954 Member Posts: 7,734 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Are you starting with a clean/lightly oiled barrel, or is it still fouled from the last trip to the range? If your starting with a clean barrel, try leaving it fouled and see if it repeats the pattern.
    A lot of rifles like to be lightly fouled before they start shooting right. (Yes Virginia you can have a barrel "to" clean).
    The other posters have given you some other things to try, but the best approach is to only try ONE thing at a time, starting with the simple ones.

    Whittemore
    Some guys like a mag full of lead, I still prefer one round to the head.
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  • lightingboltlightingbolt Member Posts: 37 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    It is a Savage Lh 110 7MM Mag. It does not matter what load I use it still does it. It shot really good until I dropped it and scratch up the barrel and I took it to a gunsmith to fix the scratch. They reblued it. Ever since then it has not shot the same. It shoots like I discribed earlier. I checked to see if it was floated and it is not. I took it a part and found that the stock was cracked where one of the screws went in too.
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  • JustCJustC Member Posts: 16,056 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    cracked or wallowed out areas around the action screws or recoil lugs will cause that. the rifle has settled into a resting position until you fire the first round or two. At this point,..the recoil forces the barreled action back into the stock and many times it will stay put there for the remainder of the range session. I had a recoil lug bedding go bad in one of my long range guns,..and it would go .250" and better,..except every now and then a flyer would appear for no reason. The gunsmith found that the softened bedding had allowed the action to rock around in the stock and wallow out the action screws in the bottom of the action. Increasing the size of these screws along with fixing the bedding,..and it went right back to perfect.

    If the crack is very minimal,..then that may not be it at all. Try looking at the action screws where they thread into the bottom of the action,..be sure there is no oblong look to those holes. Then,...try waiting 5 minutes between shots,..snd see if it does the same thing. Also,..an answer to tailgunners question would be a big help. I have a match barrel that needs 5-6rnds to settle down after cleaning,..then it shoots great. As well,...conduct the barrel float test as suggested by contender man,...if you wrap a dollar bill under the barrel,..and hold it on either side of the barrel,..then slide it up toward the action,..and it drags or binds before it reaches the action,..that could very well be it also. That would point to your barrel warping under the heat of being fired,..and the point at which it makes a firmer contact with the stock,..changes the harmonics of the barrel resulting in the second point of impact,..which remains until it cools again. many possibilities here,...try to gather an answer for all the questions asked by everyone,..and get back to us.

    why chase the game when the bullet can get em from here?....
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