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muzzle loader choice

phencephence Member Posts: 8 ✭✭
edited November 2007 in Ask the Experts
i am in the market for a new muzzle loader. my local gun dealer will not sell me a savage ml 10 muzzle loader due to "dangerous" and serious complications if over loaded with powder and says also due to the liability, he won't sell it. i keep every gun i buy and am looking for a gun for long lasting & quality as a first and price as a second. he says cva or knight will do the job just as well. also this gun will be used as a muzzle loader only(don't need additional barrels) and is there a preference to a s.s. barrel? let me know your thoughts . thanks, - allen
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  • Mk 19Mk 19 Member Posts: 8,170
    edited November -1
    Allen, It sounds like you need to find another FFL. There are "dangerous" and serious complications if any firearm is over loaded with powder, does that mean he is going to stop selling guns altogether?

    To answer your real question you canfind many great front stuffers for good prices. The primary thing when choising a ML seems to be budget, once ou have the budget set it is easyer to find the modle to fit. Many of my customers love the new T/C Triumph and that has become the top selling ML at my shop.It has shown to be very accurate along with being a breese to clean.
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  • SCOUT5SCOUT5 Member Posts: 16,181 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    My next ML purchase will be the Savage. I simply want to hunt and the smokless powder option will reduce cleaning time and hassle leaving me time to hunt. I have others and they are fun, when I have time. I hope to have more time in a few years, but for now the savage sounds very appealing. I assume you are aware of your states laws, as some state have strict restrictions. Other things to consider, are you going to scope it? Some have stocks made for this others don't. I agree, set your budget and buy the best fit for you.

    Scout
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  • allen griggsallen griggs Member Posts: 35,695 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I went to buy an inline four years ago. There were very few Savages on the market then. I heard the same line that you heard, "The Savage is dangerous, it will blow up...blah, blah, blah."
    This was from a guy at a gun shop that sold the Savage!
    I got online and talked to several Savage owners and found out that the "expert" at the gun shop was full of crap.
    The Savage is protected from barrel blow up, in the event of an overload, by the sabot. If there is too much pressure in the bore, the sabot will blow, not the barrel.
    I bought a Savage and I love it.
    They are very accurate.
    There has never been an instance of someone being hurt by a Savage blowing up, and there are lots of Savages being used today.
    You ought to bypass this "expert" at the gun shop, and order a Savage direct from these guys:


    http://www.coyoteguns.com/Savage.htm

    Don't get me wrong, there are other good muzzleloaders out there. But, I do love shooting a deer, and just putting the Savage in the closet and not cleaning the gun, but spending the day cleaning and cutting up the deer. You can't do that with any other muzzleloader.
    As a matter of fact, I shot a deer last December, and I still haven't gotten around to cleaning my muzzleloader.
    If you get one, go to this forum for tech tips, these guys are great:

    http://dougva.proboards34.com/index.cgi?board=Savage
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  • CoochCooch Member Posts: 348 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I have a T/C Omega in .50 and absolutly love the thing. Easy to clean and when I use powerbelts I touch holes at 100 yds. I must admit that when I got it I had a hard time loading it with sabots..bought it at Gander Mountain and the gunsmith there fixed it. I think he lapped the barrel by running a grit through it. The actual gunsmiths here can probably tell you what he did.

    Regardless...this will ALWAYS be my hunting muzzle loader!!
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  • JustCJustC Member Posts: 16,056 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    your gunshop owner is an IDIOT. He has ZERO liability if you overload the gun and blow it up. WHICH WON'T HAPPEN. The savage 10ML action is pressure tested to 165,000 PSI. Look at the size of the action compared to even the largest rifle action in production. It is a HUGE cylinder of steel. We have been testing them for 3 yrs now, and between us,..we find that accuracy is far below a max load. As a matter of fact,..we have exceeded book max by several grains and there is NO problems. Go to the www.sav10ml.com website and see what those guys say[}:)] The savage is the best thing in muzzleloaders that there ever was. It is pushing a 250gr pill at almost a 308win speed using a 168gr pill. YES it is stout in the recoil department,..but once you see the impact performance,..you will NEVER look back.

    I am 2 1/2" high at 100yds,...dead on at 150yds, and only 2-3" low at 200yds. The Savage is THE king of the muzzleloading hill. Tell your gunshop owner he is a RETARD. There is ZERO liability when selling a gun that someone has to handload or custom load for. If you blow it up,...the responsibility falls on you,...NOT him. He should get another job[8]

    If he won't sell it to you,..buy it from the cabelas or natchezz catalog and it will be shipped right to your door.
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  • joelHjoelH Member Posts: 42 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Very good advise from the inline modern experts here! But perhaps you may like an opinion from a "traditionalist". I enjoy hunting, collecting, and target shooting with the good ole custom built traditional curly maple full stocked longrifles that made this country what it once was. Flintlock or percussion, I've never lost a dime on a well built custom piece. Never lost a deer in my sights either! I consider the clean up after shooting all part of the fun and pleasure of owning a rifle with lines that come about as close to a work of art as can be![8D]
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  • allen griggsallen griggs Member Posts: 35,695 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    JustC is right, go with natchez. Good company, good prices:

    Savage Products
    10ML-II Series


    BV10MLIICAMO


    CAMO 50CAL 24 BRL W/ACCU TRIGGER


    Out


    $572.28


    $459.86
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    BV10MLSSIICA


    CAMO STS 50CAL 24 B W/ACCUTRIGGE


    In Stock


    $634.35


    $509.99


    BV10MLSSII


    INLINE STS 50CAL 24 BRL W/ACCUTR


    Out


    $594.63


    $479.86
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    BV10MLII


    SAVAGE INLINE BLUE 50CAL 24 BRL


    In Stock


    $518.90


    $429.99


    BV10MLSSIIXP


    STS W/SCP 50CAL 24 W/ACCUTRIGGE


    Out


    $695.58


    $509.99
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    BV10MLBSSII


    W/LAMO STK 50C 24 B ACCUTRIGGER


    In Stock


    $672.46


    $554.86


    BV10MLIIXP


    W/SCOPE BLUE 50 24 W/ACCUTRIGGE


    Out


    $572.28


    $469.86
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  • tsr1965tsr1965 Member Posts: 8,682 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    phence,

    The best name brand in muzzle loaders, including warranty(if you need it, which is hardly ever), and service is Thompson Center Arms. I have sold a ton of their Omega, and Encore's, and have not had one disgruntled customer yet. The 3 triumphs that I have been fortunate enough to get my hands on to sell before hunting season have had excellent rapports also. What ever you do, get a closed breech type, as it saves a lot of mess, but I say T/C all the way!

    cooch,

    Most likely what that gunsmith did was use some J-B bore cleaning compound. It is in effect, a very mild abrasive. Those regular sabots with the 150 grain loads especially will atomize the plastic, and deposit it in the bore. It becomes a real chore to get out, and usually a plastic dissolving solvent used for cleaning choke tubes is what is needed to remove it. The J-B does lap the bore, and frees it of the micro burrs.
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  • hadjiihadjii Member Posts: 976 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Hey JustC, I'm LOL. How about telling us how you really feel. You are right though. Can't argue with you a bit, but thought your response was funny nevertheless. Best Regards
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