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Cyclic rates?

vallopez2000vallopez2000 Member Posts: 91 ✭✭
edited August 2002 in Ask the Experts
In MGs is a faster cyclic rate better or worse? Why? What would be the optimal rate? How can the rate be measured? How can it be controlled in an M16?
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  • will270winwill270win Member Posts: 4,845
    edited November -1
    Cyclic rate is how fast the guns mechanics allow it to fire. Faster being better is a matter of opinion as the mechanics of the gun firing so fast will melt down the barrel with a quickness. The rate of the M-240G is measured by holding the trigger down for 1 minute and counting how many rounds were fired. Control of said gun would require alot of work such as springs and all that jazz. Since the m-16A2 is a semi/burst weapon, just put it on semi and pull the trigger slower. Same with burst, just pull trigger slower.


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  • cbxjeffcbxjeff Member Posts: 17,597 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    If at all possible, get one with a 3 shot burst mode. I spent a few hundred more for a Ruger AC556 over a full auto converted Mini 14. It was worth every penny.

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  • hotrodusahotrodusa Member Posts: 136 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    For the M-16 rifle, They make an hydralic buffer which will slow the rate of fire down, There expencive though, Like 200.00 or so.
    Also, Changing the timing will change rate of fire, though This should be done by a qualified armoror that knows his stuff.

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  • cpermdcpermd Member Posts: 5,273 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Rate of fire is calculated on one mag or belt.
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  • will270winwill270win Member Posts: 4,845
    edited November -1
    One mag or belt? Always. But not with the Golf, we fired it for 1 straight minute.


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  • v35v35 Member Posts: 12,710 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    In light weapons you're more likely to be on target in a short burst of high cyclic rate.
    Factors affecting rate of automatic fire are inertia of reciprocating
    parts, strength of recoil spring, strength of magazine spring, size of gas port, hammer timing and inclusion of an elastic or spring buffer.
    Years back at Government expense, with an unlimited supply of ammo and parts, I got about 1000 rpm out of the M-2 carbine. Oiling the ammo further increased rate of fire but breakages occurred through the large bolt locking lug.
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  • gunnut505gunnut505 Member Posts: 10,290 ✭
    edited November -1
    Funny that you should mention oiling up the ammo... BATF used to add lots of oil to the actions of semi's to make them fire full-auto in order to prosecute civilians.
    According to Peter Kokalis; cyclic rate is currently measured with sound- like a club timer counting bangs "till the last shot and then dividing bangs by time elapsed.

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  • RancheroPaulRancheroPaul Member Posts: 1,459 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Numerous "Trainers" in SMG's tell me the ideal rate of fire is 450 rounds per minute. How this would compare to a Machine Gun, I'm not sure. I'm also told there is none of the SMG's out there that fire at the "optimum" rate, (450 rpm).

    The UZI carbine fires at about 650 rpm, the Mini UZI fires at about 1100 rpm. The UZI Pistol fires at about 1250 rpm.

    By using "trigger control" on a Carbine UZI, one can become experienced enough to actually fire 1, 2, 3 or 4 rounds at a time. This makes the operator a "very effective" fighting tool. This expertise cannot be attained on the smaller guns because they fire so much faster, (mini, and pistol).

    Personal experience with these guns has lead me to believe the Carbine to be a super gun.......not nearly impressed as much with the mini and the pistol in full auto configurations. None of this may apply to the Machine guns, however. It is my opinion that a MG has a different mission, anyway.

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  • Shootist3006Shootist3006 Member Posts: 4,171
    edited November -1
    quote:In MGs is a faster cyclic rate better or worse?

    It depends on the MG and the use it is being put to. An infantry light MG should cycle slower than an AA MG, better controlability and no need for a 'wall' of fire. A small caliber (9MM) SMG would need a faster rate of fire than a large caliber (like a Thompson) since you will need to hit a lot of times with the smaller round to knock anything down

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  • RancheroPaulRancheroPaul Member Posts: 1,459 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Simply slip your .45 acp Conversion kit into the UZI....and away you go.......better than a Thompson!

    Or if it's Sparrows you're after.....slip in your .22 LR Conversion!

    Or Economy.....Use the 9MM.......Aahhhhhhh!!!


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