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Ithaca 45cal,1911 Question

curley5curley5 Member Posts: 36 ✭✭
edited January 2007 in Ask the Experts
I hope some of you knowledgeable men out there can help me some,Going by the Ithaca Sr.# 2083xx6 this gun was shipped about 10-1-44,Shipped to transpotation officer,Pionte calfi.Shipped about 4,000 at this time.It has the 7 rib backstrap,sloped finger groves on both sides of trigger,Has his "FJA" stamp on left bebind trigger,With P stamp under the mag release button.Plastic reinforced keyes grips,Stamped United States Property on right over Seriel no..In front of that on frame stamped M1911A1.Army.On right rear under slide on frame is cross canons stamp,not really sure what that means,But really the slide is my big concern,On right got Colt Mfg.co.Hartford ct.USA,On the left in middle of slide, Government model COLT Automatic chamber 45 then the Ramping Horse,The big question is this a Colt slide,Does it hurt the value if it is,The bbl is "HS".Can you help on the slide and what the cross canons mean.If its a Colt slide did they mix parts like this ,Got any idea of the value of gun but thats not a big concearn I don't plan to sell.I know this is a lot to ask,But an earley thanks for any help,Jim
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  • nmyersnmyers Member Posts: 16,892 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    You have a USGI Ithaca 1911A1 frame with a commercial Colt Government Model slide; regardless of the other parts, your gun is, at best, a "shooter". The barrel, & possibly other parts, could well be original. So, yes, that slide does hurt the value, as the original slide was marked "ITHACA GUN CO., INC/ITHACA, N.Y.". Instead of a $1,200-1,500 gun you have a $400-500 gun.

    The Ordinance Department crossed cannon final inspection mark was first used in October 1942.

    Neal
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  • curley5curley5 Member Posts: 36 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Well thanks Neal,Each time I get on here to find out something someone jumps right in to help me.I don't claim to know much about firearms,just trying to learn a little along to keep from getting burnt along the road.But as you know its fun,Thanks alot for taking the time to help newcomers like me.Jim
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  • curley5curley5 Member Posts: 36 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Neal or anyone else,on some Colt 1911's ,Did they file off the serial # on the right side To remark them,I saw one awhile back that had everthing on the right frame just under the slide,It was all ground off because you could see some faint numbers and letters and look like reblued with new numbers put obove the trigger,Tks.Jim
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  • nmyersnmyers Member Posts: 16,892 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Sometimes pistols were arsenal refinished so many times that the serial number was no longer easily read. In that case, the armory would restamp the serial number. If a stolen gun was recovered, it was sometimes renumbered with an "X" prefix.

    The case you describe sounds like the typical mutilation done by Bubba on a gun stolen from the government. The thief would grind off the serial number &/or the UNITED STATES PROPERTY marking, & then stamp a new serial number & refinish the gun.

    Altering the serial number of any gun, or even possession of a gun with an altered serial number, is a felony under federal law. I hope that you ran away from the gun you saw.

    Neal
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  • curley5curley5 Member Posts: 36 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    No worry I would'nt get messed up with something like that ,Its not worth it,I was just thinking that I read the goverment did it to some guns,Jim
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  • horatiohoratio Member Posts: 98 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Ithaca slides are plentiful. I would try to put it back original.
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  • curley5curley5 Member Posts: 36 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Thats what ran through my mind when I saw the price spread Neal gave me,I'll start looking for one with a good parked finish,Mine is a year 44,What years would I look for before they changed,Jim
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  • nmyersnmyers Member Posts: 16,892 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I won't say that such a quest is impossible, but it will be extremely difficult.

    First, you need to figure out if your frame & parts have original finish. And, all your parts need to be correct for a "late" Ithaca. Yes, there are Ithaca slides out there, but most have been refinished; finding one with original finish - & a pattern of wear that matches your frame - will be the greatest challenge.

    But, if you want to try it, you will want to invest in "Collector's Guide to Colt .45 Service Pistols Models of 1911 and 1911A1" by Charles W. Clawson. The folks on the 1911/1911A1 forum at www.jouster.com may also be able to help you. You will probably need high quality photos of your gun.

    Neal
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  • curley5curley5 Member Posts: 36 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    I agree I'll pick me one (book} on the net,I'll need the help,and I have heard of his book ,Jim
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  • remington nutremington nut Member Posts: 961 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    a buddy of mine has an original ithaca 1911 passed down from his grandfather in near perfect condition, i've seen it and everything looks to be orgiinal, is this a 1400-1500 gun??
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