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NFA weapon questions
l3to
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Hey guys!,
So if you could school me on this whole procedure. I am an ar15 (EBR) fan and I am planning/hopping to build an auto ar15 SBR. I am trying to build a 6.8spc version of a SPR (special purpose rifle).
So here are my questions;
1) Can I take a lower I have obtained before I got my tax stamps for the build? (its not registered as a SBR or auto)
2) How many stamps do I need to build my own?
3) And lastly, Can I put a 3 burst fire and full auto in the same setup? (safe, semi-fire, 3 burst and full auto selector?)
Thanks for the help!
L3to
So if you could school me on this whole procedure. I am an ar15 (EBR) fan and I am planning/hopping to build an auto ar15 SBR. I am trying to build a 6.8spc version of a SPR (special purpose rifle).
So here are my questions;
1) Can I take a lower I have obtained before I got my tax stamps for the build? (its not registered as a SBR or auto)
2) How many stamps do I need to build my own?
3) And lastly, Can I put a 3 burst fire and full auto in the same setup? (safe, semi-fire, 3 burst and full auto selector?)
Thanks for the help!
L3to
Comments
Don't know about SBR regs. If you are going the full auto/burst route, you need to shop around for a receiver that is already registered as a full-auto. You have to have a full-auto serial number to place on the application form to get a tax-stamp. That means, you already bought/paid for the gun. In essence, the dealer is holding it [the firearm] for you pending approval of the paperwork.
Go the full-auto route. Barrel length is not a factor on class III firearms. You'll have your SBR. Joe
PS...ask a dealer near you (read: in your state) who handles class III firearms. The classIII dealer will instruct you on all this. Also, ask the dealer about buying a registered auto sear. That may be simpler. Best to you, Joe
quote:N. MACHINEGUNS - NATIONAL FIREARMS ACT (NFA)
(N1) May an unlicensed person make a machine gun?
Generally, no. However, if documentation can be provided, along with the Application to Make a Machinegun, which establishes that the weapon is being made for distribution to a Federal or State agency, an individual may be permitted to make the machine gun.
[18 U.S.C. 922(o)(2), 27 CFR 479.105(e)]
The only way to get a Full auto gun is to buy one that was registered prior to 1968. Since then no NEW machineguns can be made for private (non government) sales. There is a company that makes a drop in set up that had FA and 3rd. I am not sure of the companies name though. If you own a Full Auto you can use any length barrel on it.
You can use any receiver you want to build a SBR. If you buy one it will be on a Form 4, if you want to build your own it will be on a Form 1. You only need one stamp ($200). If you are building your own you can NOT put the short upper on the gun until the Form 1 comes back approved.
UPDATE: You are right 1986. Too many damn laws to keep them all straight.
Greetings! Welcome to the forum!
Don't know about SBR regs. If you are going the full auto/burst route, you need to shop around for a receiver that is already registered as a full-auto. You have to have a full-auto serial number to place on the application form to get a tax-stamp. That means, you already bought/paid for the gun. In essence, the dealer is holding it [the firearm] for you pending approval of the paperwork.
Go the full-auto route. Barrel length is not a factor on class III firearms. You'll have your SBR. Joe
PS...ask a dealer near you (read: in your state) who handles class III firearms. The classIII dealer will instruct you on all this. Also, ask the dealer about buying a registered auto sear. That may be simpler. Best to you, Joe
As I said this is my first automatic weapon build but I THOUGHT that the form 2 let you build one rather than finding a pre-registered lower. I am in the midst of creating a "Revocable Living Trust" to obtain the tax stamps. I don't mind spending 1-2K for the weapon but all PRE-banned lowers are in the 12K range. Can I just buy an auto sear from bushmaster, they sell them for about 31$. Let me know if I got this wrong.
Unfortunately all the Class III dealers around here seem to only deal in antique and relic's and are not as helpful as one might want them to be. I definitely plan on going the full auto route
Thanks for the help Joe,
Eric
If you own a lower receiver and have in your possession a full auto sear, fire control parts kit, etc. You can go to federal prison for 10 years. The ATF has stated many times in the past that the possession of both indicates the intent to build and is ILLEGAL. THE ONLY way you can get a full auto is to buy one that is already registered. And yes they are around 15 thousand dollars, but then again there are few of them and everyone wants one.
The SBR is completely diffrent from a full auto firearm. You can build an SBR using your existing lower, However there are some thing you must do, file the paper work, get the lower engraved, etc. Once again, be very careful about having in your possession a barreled upper that is less than 16" before you have the approval from the ATF. Unless you have your lower receiver registered as a pistol, then you can have any length barrel you want on it. BUT, the laws regarding putting a stock on a ppistol are a little tricky to understand. SO, find someone that is knowledgeable about this subject and stick to them like glue until you have all the final paperwork completed and approved.
I am by far not an expert in this area, but I know enough about it to seek professional assistance if I were to try it.
Hope this helps.
Yeah the whole 10yrs in federal prison is certainly a BIG factor. Right now I don't have any of the parts for this, as I plan on it being completely legal. The SBR doesn't really interest me UNLESS I can build it as an auto. So what your saying is I have to shell out the 10K for a 1967 colt lower and turn it into a 2007 SPR.. That sucks
Thanks for the info,
Eric
quote:Originally posted by muss
L3t0,
If you own a lower receiver and have in your possession a full auto sear, fire control parts kit, etc. You can go to federal prison for 10 years. The ATF has stated many times in the past that the possession of both indicates the intent to build and is ILLEGAL. THE ONLY way you can get a full auto is to buy one that is already registered. And yes they are around 15 thousand dollars, but then again there are few of them and everyone wants one.
The SBR is completely diffrent from a full auto firearm. You can build an SBR using your existing lower, However there are some thing you must do, file the paper work, get the lower engraved, etc. Once again, be very careful about having in your possession a barreled upper that is less than 16" before you have the approval from the ATF. Unless you have your lower receiver registered as a pistol, then you can have any length barrel you want on it. BUT, the laws regarding putting a stock on a ppistol are a little tricky to understand. SO, find someone that is knowledgeable about this subject and stick to them like glue until you have all the final paperwork completed and approved.
I am by far not an expert in this area, but I know enough about it to seek professional assistance if I were to try it.
Hope this helps.
The only way to get a Full auto gun is to buy one that was registered prior to 1968.
You got your numbers transposed on that date. The cut-off date on new registered full-auto receivers (for civilian ownership) was 1986.
quote:Originally posted by l3to
So what your saying is I have to shell out the 10K for a 1986 colt lower and turn it into a 2007 SPR.. That sucks
Yes, and yes.
DANG![:(!]
p.s. When I say NFA I mean automatic. Not SBR or supressed
So What if I want a gun that is NFA and just recently being produced, say for example the Magpul Masada. I can't legaly own an NFA version of that weapon?
DANG![:(!]
p.s. When I say NFA I mean automatic. Not SBR or supressed
That is correct.
That is one of the reasons that HK sears packs are so popular. You can use that piece in any HK firearm that will take them. In the case of sear packs the sear is the regiestered part, not the gun. You could go out and buy a new PTR 91 and use the sear pack, then pull it out and put it in MP5 style gun.
There are also DIAS and LL for the AR-15 series that do the same thing. Keep in mind these parts run $8-10,000.
It is not that theses things cost that much to make but there is a limited number of legal ones. There are about 200,000 legal transferable MG and unless the law changes that is all there will ever be. A new Full Auto M4 only costs about $900 (about the price of a semi one) if it was legal to own ones made after 1986 that is all they would cost us too.
NFA violations are up to 20 year in federal jail and up to a $200,000 fine.
Just FYI there are 6 NFA items, MG, SBS, SBR, AOW, DD, and suppressors.