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35-30
Geri
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Anyone have any experiance with this caliber? All input wanted. Thanks.
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Love them Pre-64's!!!!-Bob
Bert H.
Real Men use a SINGLE-SHOT!
WACA Historian & Life Member
That is a dinosaur of a cartridge... and anyone who has one is also a dinosaur (yes, I am talking about you Bob[:D]).
Bert H.
Real Men use a SINGLE-SHOT!
I didn't buy it when it first came out....you ol' coot!!![8D]
Love them Pre-64's!!!!-Bob
Love them Pre-64's!!!!-Bob
One of my references says ammunition can also be made .38-55 cases,and bullets from the .35 Remington can be sized down or used as is depending on bore diameter.
Very intereting.
I worked with a guy that did a couple of these just for the experience of making this conversion. I wasn't too impressed but I was working at the other end of the spectrum at the time. With properly constructed bullets for the velocity range, it should prove to be a very adequate woods cartridge. It will work for lever rifles as well as single shot pistols and rifles.
Best.
Here's something to work with:
35-30/30 (35-30)
Historical Notes:
Although not widely known, the 35-30/30 is one of the oldest wildcats, having originated around the turn of the century. Its original purpose was to salvage worn out 32-40 and 32 Winchester Special barrels by reboring them to 35 caliber. The idea was also implied to improve the performance of Winchester Model 1894 rifles and carbines while staying within the cartridge length and pressure limitations of this action. The 35-30/30 cartridge is based on necking up 30-30 or 32 Winchester Special brass without any other change, although a few rifles have been made up to accept the Ackley Improved version of this case. Recently there has been a rebirth of interest in this cartridge by silhouette shooters who like to use cast bullets. In 1976, Arizona gunsmith Paul Marquart built several 35-30/30 silhouette rifles built on the Remington 788 action, and these quickly established a reputation as being both accurate and effective for the intended sport. Information on these rifles was published in The Fouling Shot, published by the Cast Bullet Association, and other shooters found it promising as a target and hunting cartridge. The 35-30/30 can be loaded to about equal the ballistics of the 35 Remington, and in fact, if Remington hadn't introduced their rimless 35 in 1908, it is highly possible that the necked up 30-30 would have become much more popular than it did. In any event, it is picking up a new but modest following.
General Comments:
With jacketed bullets there is little, if any, difference between the ballistics and killing power of the 35-30/30 and the 35 Remington. On paper the 35 Remington appears to have an edge over the 35-30/30 because it has about 14 percent greater powder capacity, but the factory 200 grain bullet loading rarely attains 2000 fps except in a 24 inch test barrel chiefly because of rather anemic loading pressures. As a cast bullet cartridge, the 35-30/30 with its longer neck permits use of cast bullets as heavy as 270 grains seated to a depth that will feed through magazine rifles designed for the 30-30. This is not possible with the 35 Remington and its short neck. In a strong action, the 35-30/30 can be loaded to deliver performance approaching the 375 Winchester. However, in a strong action, the 35 Remington can be stepped up quite a bit too. It is possible to attain 1800 fps with a 300 grain bullet in a strong action chambered 35-30/30, which would make it adequate for elk or moose at short range. It is a good cartridge for upping the performance of 30-30 rifles or for salvaging worn out 32 Special barrels. For a wildcat, it is rather a special purpose cartridge, but one that may fill the needs of a number of shooters. Dies are available from RCBS and chamber reamers from Clymer.
Source: Cartridges of the World
35-30/30 (35-30) Reloading Data
Bullet (grs.) Powder / (grs.) MV ME Source
200 JSP IMR4198 / 25.0 1925 1650 N/A
208 Lead IMR4198 / 25.0 1895 1660 N/A
210 Lead W630 / 15.0 1520 1080 Lyman 35875
245 Lead H335 / 30.0 1770 1710 Lyman 358318
282 Lead H335 / 28.0 1700 1810 Lyman 3589
292 Lead W748 / 33.5 1620 1580 N/A
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.35-30
This old but useful wildcat is based on the .30-30 Winchester case necked up to accept .358 inch bullets. It is not a new idea, having first appeared some time around 1900. It is a worthwhile way to salvage worn .32 Winchester Special barrels, and presumably adds killing power for use on game larger than deer.
Unlike rimless .35 caliber cartridges based on necked-up .308 and .30-06 cases, which sometimes have headspacing problems due to an inadequate amount of shoulder, the .35-30 headspaces on its rim, just like the .30-30 and .32 Special parent cases. This makes the .35-30 a pretty good cartridge for traditional lever action rifles, better in some respects than the rimless .35 Remington. The .35-30 has about 14% less powder capacity than the .35 Rem., but a much longer neck so that heavier bullets do not intrude into the powder space.
The basic dimensions of the .35-30 are as follows. The shoulder angle is unchanged from the 14 degree 31 minutes of its parent case. The rim diameter is .506 inch, the base diameter is .4219 inch, and the shoulder diameter is .4014 inch. Case length is 2.04 inches, and overall cartridge length is about 2.55 inches. Blunt round nose or flat point bullets must be used in rifles with tubular magazines.
The performance of the .35-30 in the field is similar to that of the .35 Remington from 20" carbine length barrels. A 180 grain bullet can be driven to a MV of around 2100 fps; a 200 grain bullet can be driven to a MV of about 1925 fps, and a 220 grain bullet to a MV of about 1850 fps. The .35-30 has proven to be an able deer and black bear cartridge with quick opening 180-200 grain bullets, and can account for larger game at close range using the heavier 220 grain bullet.
Did not the Remington Hepburn come in a .35-30 Remington that resembles the .357 Maximum?
Cheers from Darkest California,
Ross
max
load the old ones with the old tools.....