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classification and proper names
aztileman
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i posted looking for 223 asault rife and you all got mad for calling it that. so help me out.
sub caliber guns, MP5,UMP,PS90,TMP,MAC11= SMG-sub machine gun
223, AR,HK93, and so on = assault rifle
308, hk91,M14 and so on = battle rifle
ok what proper way of saying it, i am looking for semi auto 223??
sub caliber guns, MP5,UMP,PS90,TMP,MAC11= SMG-sub machine gun
223, AR,HK93, and so on = assault rifle
308, hk91,M14 and so on = battle rifle
ok what proper way of saying it, i am looking for semi auto 223??
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are look-a-likes or clones. they are semi-auto only. and I'm not sure but I don't think caliber has has to do with the type of rifle.
there are AR's in 308. anti-gun people group military rifles and civilian rifles in the same catagory because they look scary.
i posted looking for 223 asault rife and you all got mad for calling it that. so help me out.
sub caliber guns, MP5,UMP,PS90,TMP,MAC11= SMG-sub machine gun
223, AR,HK93, and so on = assault rifle
308, hk91,M14 and so on = battle rifle
ok what proper way of saying it, i am looking for semi auto 223??
People get like myself get upset about the term assault weapon because it is a made up term by the anti gun crown to make a semi-auto firearm sound scarry to the genral public to gain power to take our guns away!
Watch this video to give you a good understanding of what I mean. It was done by a police officer and gives a great understanding![:D]
I once went to a firearms class and one of the students called a revolver a pistol. The instructor tore him a new one, saying that a pistol is ONLY a semi-auto. That sort of BS mentality is not what you want to get in a class. (And shouldn't get here when just asking a question.) I walked up, demanded a refund due to his abusive mentality, and walked out. Followed by many other students.
People get too bent out of shape over this stuff. I have heard many military and police people call M-16s, M-4s and the AK family assault rifles. To my understanding the generally accepted definition of Assault rifles are those that have high capacity removable magazines, selective fire rates, and shoot a medium power cartridge. So to be technically correct, a semi-auto version of these are not Assault rifles. They are just semi-auto versions. But go into just about any gun shop and ask for a semi-auto version of an M-4. They will probably laugh at you and say: Oh, you want an assault rifle? Here you go. And hand you a semi-auto version of an M-4. MOST gun shop people call them assault rifles too.
I once went to a firearms class and one of the students called a revolver a pistol. The instructor tore him a new one, saying that a pistol is ONLY a semi-auto. That sort of BS mentality is not what you want to get in a class. (And shouldn't get here when just asking a question.) I walked up, demanded a refund due to his abusive mentality, and walked out. Followed by many other students.
I can see you point PC. And if it was not for the anti crowd throwing the term around all over the place to fill there agenda the term would not bother me.
I feel that we as people who are trying to win this argument over the ANTI's should not help them by useing this made up term as the uneducated do not have the understanding to realize that these guns have no real threat and that they are as safe as any other guns.
I also don't like the terms EVIL BLACK RIFLE, DEVIL GUN (I am cureing my son of this one right now as he has pick this up from hearing it at the range from others) and other terms to describe these military seni clones.
We as legitimate collectors of these firearms need to educate the uneducated and use terms to decribe these firearms as to not scare off the uninformed.
quote:Originally posted by PC800
People get too bent out of shape over this stuff. I have heard many military and police people call M-16s, M-4s and the AK family assault rifles. To my understanding the generally accepted definition of Assault rifles are those that have high capacity removable magazines, selective fire rates, and shoot a medium power cartridge. So to be technically correct, a semi-auto version of these are not Assault rifles. They are just semi-auto versions. But go into just about any gun shop and ask for a semi-auto version of an M-4. They will probably laugh at you and say: Oh, you want an assault rifle? Here you go. And hand you a semi-auto version of an M-4. MOST gun shop people call them assault rifles too.
I once went to a firearms class and one of the students called a revolver a pistol. The instructor tore him a new one, saying that a pistol is ONLY a semi-auto. That sort of BS mentality is not what you want to get in a class. (And shouldn't get here when just asking a question.) I walked up, demanded a refund due to his abusive mentality, and walked out. Followed by many other students.
I can see you point PC. And if it was not for the anti crowd throwing the term around all over the place to fill there agenda the term would not bother me.
I feel that we as people who are trying to win this argument over the ANTI's should not help them by useing this made up term as the uneducated do not have the understanding to realize that these guns have no real threat and that they are as safe as any other guns.
I also don't like the terms EVIL BLACK RIFLE, DEVIL GUN (I am cureing my son of this one right now as he has pick this up from hearing it at the range from others) and other terms to describe these military seni clones.
We as legitimate collectors of these firearms need to educate the uneducated and use terms to decribe these firearms as to not scare off the uninformed.
I understand what you are saying. But whenever I go into every gun shop and just listen to the guys working in the shop talking to customers, they call the guns assault rifles too. And most of the workers are wannabe rambos who are wearing 5.11 clothes head to toe with Blackhawk holsters, etc. If you can't get those guys to use the "proper" terminology and act "normal" instead of like gun freaks, you are not going to get the media to do it.
His whole idea was to allow interchangeable terms for weapons that his group wanted to ban. He wanted confusion in the general public over the semiauto/fully automatic role guns play in the world.
It appears to have worked, witnessed by the unrestrained use of the A.W. term.
I don't like generalizations much, so here goes:
A "Battle Rifle" is obviously a gun used by the military, caliber notwithstanding, that has an adjustable rate of fire ie: Select-fire
"Machine guns" are fully automatic, sometimes crew-served, and are used by the military: certain citizens also qualify to own these.
"Semiauto" guns are capable of firing a single shot for each pull of the trigger, and will reload themselves by reciprocating parts after each shot.
There's no such thing as an "Assault Weapon"; that term was first used to deny ownership of certain firearms to American Citizens by the Klinton Gun Ban Machine, and is now being used to disrupt and divide gun owners' loyalties.
The reason you got jumped at your other post is that the antis are squirming their way into forums of this nature, bent on getting some loudmouth Rambo wannabe to aid their cause by posting some blathering about "assault weapons" and how illegals are ruining the country.
It would only take ONE post about grabbing an A.W. to go shoot beaners to cover their agenda.
Generally, try not to stray too far from the AR type system. Tons of parts readily available. Fulton Armory, for instance, has a selection of very nice AR's. A little pricey, but worth it. They reject parts manufacturers that are sub-standard. And it's the only website that I know of that advertises MOA/subMOA as a guarantee on their fine tuned rifles.
If you choose to visit gunshops, or use this auction site for purchasing your AR, use the search feature found on the upper right corner of this page. It will give you information on the best barrel length/rate of twist/bullet weight to allow you to make the proper choices to fit your needs. Hope this helps. Joe
And you even used it starting this thread.
CP