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bolts for .22 and NFA question

RobinRobin Member Posts: 1,228 ✭✭✭✭✭
edited May 2007 in Ask the Experts
As a result of a family death, I was asked to look at several firearms. Two of the rifles are .22 S/L/LR. (1) is a Savage model 3 and (2) is a savage bolt action with no SN or model only Savage Arms Corp Utica NY Made in USA. It is a bolt action like the model 3. Both of these rifles have a "14" on the barrell. They are in excellent condition except niether has the bolt. Supposedly the bolts are packed up somewhere. If they can't be located, is it possible to find replacement bolts? Where?

I also came across what appears to be the receiver part of a H&R Handy gun. I did a search on GunBroker and read that possessing the receiver is not a violation of the rules for NFA firearms. I think the barrel is somewhere, probably with the .22 rifle bolts. I have no idea if the old H&R was registered. Knowing the old folks that had it since the 1920's or 1930's, I doubt it. So I will have to figure out how to dispose of it with out going to the big house for 10 years. Is it possible to run a check to see if it was registered offering to surrender the Handy gun if it turns out to be illegal? What's the big deal about this anyway. If the H&R receiver is for a 32-20 version, is there anyway to tell by just looking at the receiver?

I am going to devote some time this weekend to looking for the missing things, hopefully the .22 bolts will show up. I don't know if I want to turn up the rest of the old Handy gun. Thnks for any suggestions.
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  • FatstratFatstrat Member Posts: 9,147
    edited November -1
    There were several variations of the Savage Model 3. Original Model 3, + A thru D variations as I recall. Most of the variation changes seem to be in bolt design. In my experience, finding parts for these rifles gets harder as you go back from later to earliest model. Numrich Arms has most parts for the later versions. I don't think finding replacements would be impossible. But I don't think it will be easy if you have early models.
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  • nmyersnmyers Member Posts: 16,892 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Possession/disposition of the H&R Handy Gun will not be a problem. All versions with original barrels are considered to be C&R; even the 12-1/4" rifled barrel version has been removed from the NFA.

    Of course, under GCA68, the receiver is still considered to be a "firearm".

    Neal
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  • FatstratFatstrat Member Posts: 9,147
    edited November -1
    Even the .410 shotgun model?
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  • RobinRobin Member Posts: 1,228 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Neal & others,
    Thanks for your response. I looked through boxes for 3 hours yesterday and did not locate a barrel for the H&R handygun. I did find what appears to be the small forearm complete with a machine screw. It seems to match up to the receiver but the metal trim is not "tiger stripped" like the receiver. I also found one bolt. It fits the Savage model 3. This model 3 has a smaller stock, like it was made as a "boys" rifle. There are boxes and boxes of stuff to go through, I am now hopeful that I will eventually find the missing bolt for the Savage model 3A and the missing barrel for the H&R Handy gun.

    Neal, how would I go about researching the NFA status of the Handy gun to make sure an "all original Handy-gun" does not have to be registered as a NFA item? The last thing I want to do is inadvertently violate the NFA laws. However, it seems strange that the relatively harmless (in terms of class III firearms) short barreled .410 would even be considered in the same group of weapons as machine guns. Politics I guess. After reading a little bit about the Handy Gun, it appears to be an ideal thing to have along on a fishing trip, hiking, etc.
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  • nmyersnmyers Member Posts: 16,892 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Check out the Firearms Curios & Relics List (ATF P5300.11) book, plus online updates on the ATF website.

    Or, send a letter to ATF requesting a determination.

    You must be able to identify the complete firearm, including markings, caliber, barrel length, shoulder stock or not.

    Neal

    *****It all depends on the barrel length; when you find the rest of the shotgun, get back to us. Don't waste responses until then. Oh, & check your email account; you have problems. *******
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  • Old FoolOld Fool Member Posts: 1,502 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    H&R handy-guns with rifled barrels are C&R qualified and perfectly legal to own as long as there is no shoulder stock. The shoulder stock makes it a short barreled rifle. Smooth bore Handy-Guns are NFA weapons and must be registered.
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