verguiro 1904/39 mauser id

loiner1965

hi...this is my first posting so just like to say hi before my question....hi
i have the above rifle which shoots great but i like to know more about its proof/ id marks....any idea who or where i can find out..
many thanks

jonk

The 1904 Portuguese Mauser Vergueiro used some ideas of Mannlicher, some ideas of Mauser, and a few ideas of a Portuguese guy named Vergueiro. It was originally chambered in 6.5X58, but in the 30s the Portuguese contracted with the Germans for some 98ks in 8mm. As part of a standardization program, most of the old guns were re-barreled or re-bored to 8mm.

Mine is a very accurate gun. Due to the light weight and Mannlicher style detachable bolt head, and lack of the famous Mauser 98 safety lug, I don't usually fire full power surplus out of it- it just kicks too hard, though I have done so, no problems. Fairly decent handloads using bullets in the 150 grain range and about 46 gr. of IMR 4064 have done well for me.

nononsense

loiner1965,

Welcome to the GB forums!

There are quite a number of books that are used to idntify the multitude of markings found on firearms. I've listed a couple below but also check your library just in case thy have them on the shelf. Also ask around about local collectors clubs.

The Standard Directory of Proof Marks

by Gerhard Wirnsberger

Published by Blacksmith Publishers Corporation

ISBN 0-89149-006-X

The most important proofmarks of the European countries. Including WWII German ordnance codes. Hundreds of drawings. A must for the serious collector. S/C 192 pages

Price : EUR : 20.00

Mauser Military Rifle Markings

by T. Lapin

Covers in detail the meaning and signifiance of inscriptions, numbers, dates, codes, coat of arms and symbols found on Mauser military from all over the world. Extensively illustrated and packed with information. Charts, tables, etc... S/C 139 pages

Price : EUR : 29.00

These can be purchased from this source or from others including Brownells:

http://users.swing.be/sw017995/books.htm

rufe-snow

If you have the ability? You can post close-up photos of the markings that you have questions about. Are members can help you interpret them.

The late 1930's, was a time of great flux in Europe. Sometimes unusual markings/proof marks are found on military firearms that were made/reworked during that era.

If you don't have the capability to post photos? Much data can be found on the Vergueiro by doing a GOOGLE search using "vergueiro rifle" as the search term.

hoosier

The version most commonly seen is the Vergueiro 1904/38 Carbine rechambered in 8mm in 1938. Most have excellent bores.

So far my Vergueiro 1904's :

1904 Rifle in 6x80 with Dominican proofs.
Where can I find ammo??

1904/38 Cabine 8mm. (have 3 of these)

1904 Rifle 7MM Mauser. Salesman sample 1904
Yes, not a hack job. Full military in 7MM mauser.

1904/10 Rifle 7 mm Mauser Brazilian contact Police.

rufe-snow

quote:Originally posted by hoosier


1904 Rifle in 6x80 with Dominican proofs.
Where can I find ammo??




Would it be possible that the rifle is chambered for the U.S. 6mm Lee Navy cartridge? The Metric dimensions of that cartridge would be 6 x 60mm, approximately. It doesn't appear to me that a loaded cartridge with a 80mm = 3 1/8" case length, would function in a Vergueiro action.

hoosier

Opps, 6.5x58 MM is the correct caliber. Too much sun, while mowing the grass.

jonk

Well, some of the custom loading companies offer 6.5X58, but it would be a fairly easy proposition to handload I would think, using resized and fireformed 8mm mauser brass. It might be a tad short in the neck, but no worries. This is a guess, I've not done it myself.