Hey Bert, it's back

CHGOTHNDER

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=84849067

1KYDSTR

I used to live outside Waterloo...wonder if I know this person?

Bert H.

quote:Originally posted by CHGOTHNDER
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=84849067


This makes about the 250th time it has been relisted on Gunbroker. I believe that I first saw this gun for sale on Gunbroker back in 2002.

Idahobound

So whats the true story on it???

nyforester

From the experts lack of enthusiasm, I take it that this shotgun is not for real ?
Whats the real deal ?

Bert H.

The shotgun is real enough, but it has been fooled with way too much (heavily sanded and refinished stock and non-original hammers) to command anywhere near the asking price. The overall condition is "Fair" at best. At best, it is maybe a $4000 gun (and I personally would not be interested in it at that price).

Additionally, the current owner is full of horse manure concerning its rarity... he states "Less than 1500 of these English doubles were produced". The real truth is that Winchester imported 10,000 of them. There are no known records that show how many of each gauge were made, so it is nothing more than unsubstantiated speculation that this gun is 1 of only 2 made in 20 gauge. The Madis letter is only slightly better than garbage in my opinion.

nyforester

With pictures of such crappy quality, its no wonder this guy has not sold it in over 5 years. I get the feeling he is trying to hide something !

tsr1965

Most more then likely, the seller had it stuffed in his butt, unknowingly about what he was getting, or not knowing what to look for. Chances are he is just trying to recoop his money.

Xracer

For that price I've got a bridge I'll sell ya.....[:D]

only winchesters

Hello everyone: Well while Winchester did import approx. 10,000 doubles from England from Bonehill, Messrs, W.C. McAntree & Co., W.C. Scott & Sons, so 10,000 total may be a good guess, obviuosly not of each grade or gauge offered.

Even though the "Hammers" as pointed out aren't original, neither are the "Hammer screws". The vast majority of guns imported were 10 & 12 gauge. Trying to determine exactly how many 20ga guns were imported is next to impossible. While Stadt speciffically talks about the first two orders being of a quantity of 500. There is a 3rd order from "Redman" took place, quantity is not stated.

It most likely is one of the guns that Winchester imported at the time. But what Winchester collectors want are guns made in "New Haven", not someplace else, IMO.

While Winchester actually got into the shotgun market with the 1887, it took them a long time before they entered the SxS market (1931 with the Md 21). It is an interesting piece no doubt that there are few survvers, but after 5 years you would think the guy would go to a large auction house. But paying the commission, certainly may not be worth it. If he was smart he would get a letter from Stadt since he wrote about them, it might have more validity than a Maddis letter.

Regards to all

Dave

CHGOTHNDER

I just find it interesting that he keeps hawking it somewhere it never even gets bids on.