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Stag Arms AR-15 - failure to extract

NateNate Member Posts: 168 ✭✭✭
edited November 2007 in Ask the Experts
Gentleman,

My father bought a Stag Arms Model 4L. He is having problems with the rifle, he asked me to take a look at it for him. I shot 20 rounds of white box winchester 5.56 through it. Of those 20 rounds, I got 18 failure to extract and 2 that extracted but did not load the next round into the chamber. I used two different magazines, one that came with the gun, and the other from my AR that I have not had any previous issues with.

Any ideas?

Thanks in advance
Nate

Edit 1

When you pulled the trigger the gun would fire. But then you had to manualy cycle the action to load a second round. The spent brass would still be in the chamber (18 times), the other two, you would just dry fire onto an empty chamber, the brass would eject but a new round would not load from the magazine.

Edit 2

Yes the gun was new in box. I do not know how much he shot it before I looked at it. But I would say less than 20 rounds. I know he cleaned it before he shot it and yes the chamber was cleaned.

Comments

  • charliemeyer007charliemeyer007 Member Posts: 6,572 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    So is it falure to extract or eject? Can you cycle a loaded round manually? When was the chamber cleaned really good? Sounds like a gas system problem. Look at spent brass, for torn rims, buldges gouges and sratches.

    Does the bolt try to cycle after firing? I would look at the extractor if it does, if not perhaps the gas tube is pluged, the port in bore is pluged. Maybe a missing or broken piece on bolt. Did smoke/gas come out of handguards or ejection port areas? Does it have a selector knob for adjusting the gas system? I just guessing as I don't this rifle.
  • nmyersnmyers Member Posts: 16,892 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Was this gun bought New In The Box?

    Did your dad buy a complete cleaning outfit INCLUDING A CHAMBER BRUSH, as sold in Brownells?

    Neal
  • clinteasterlingclinteasterling Member Posts: 549 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    If he bought it NIB, take to reciept and get you a new one. If you have a problem with it this early in it's life you could have gotten a lemon.

    If he bought it used, clean the hell out of it. Clean the bolt really well, clean the chamber, as well as the gas tube it could be clogged.
  • Wehrmacht_45Wehrmacht_45 Member Posts: 3,377
    edited November -1
    Sounds like the extractor is busted, or the gas system is partially blocked, perhaps an improperly aligned gas block.

    However, when my DPMS was new it would often short stroke with the cheaper and hence underloaded ammo for the first 100 rounds or so. When it loosened up, it ate everything.
  • BHAVINBHAVIN Member Posts: 3,490 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Pull the bolt and look at the extractor. Is the extractor spring in? I have had one NIB Colt that they forgot to put the extractor spring in. Push on the ejector with something flat. Does it push in and spring back out under pressure? If you aren't sure how to pull it down post here and I will run you through it. As posted above it could also be a gas tube/block problem. Look at the gas block. Does the block have quite a bit of fouling around where it meets the barrel? Stag has a good reputation and I am sure it will be made right.
  • A J ChristA J Christ Member Posts: 7,534
    edited November -1
    Fail to extract empty.

    Dirty or rough chamber.

    Bad extractor, missing or broken spring.

    Gas system problem, obstructed tube, misaligned/ missing/broken piston rings.

    Can yu borrow someone's spare bolt (everyone serious with these things had one), would eliminate about half the possibilities.
  • Riverview SalesRiverview Sales Member Posts: 19 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Sounds like a gas tube problem. If you take the bolt out of the receiver and spray some gun cleaner down the tube with the straw that come with the cleaned you should see it freely run into the barrel around where the fron shght is. If it dosen't you have some type of restriction, (carbon fouling or misalined gas block or front sight)If that isn't it, it's in the bolt assembly
  • shooter10shooter10 Member Posts: 461 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I just went through a very similiar situation. I got new clips and it seemed to help then it started again. I had problems again and took it to a gunsmith. After he finished ribbing me about why didn't I clean and oil it BEFORE I started shooting it, he did his majic and it has shot great ever since. Especially clean and oil the bolt as it was very dry. The other possibility is that as Stag rep told me, you need to be careful not to lean on the clip or pull back or hold on to it with your left hand. I had never thought about it but I do that all the time. Hope this helps. Stag people are easy to talk to. Give them a call if this doesn't work.
  • agostinoagostino Member Posts: 414 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Don't rule out the ammo. I have a Bushmaster that loves Wolf but occasionally hangs up on the Winchester white box stuff. Those are the only two I've tried. But clean well and often.
  • NateNate Member Posts: 168 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Turns out that the gas block was the issue.

    Thank you very much for your help.
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