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Winchester Model 12 Value

mtlenwaymtlenway Member Posts: 106 ✭✭✭
edited January 2008 in Ask the Experts
I currently have an older Winchester Model 12 I am considering selling or trading off. Serial number is 1600483 I believe it was manufactured in the early 1950's. The gun has the corn cob forearm, a 30 inch barrel with vent rib, chamber is 2 3/4 inch, I have only seen one other gun simular at Cabelas, the only difference was it was chambered for 3 inch and called a "Heavy Duck Gun". The condition of my is ok, the blueing on the receiver shows wear but no rust, wood in a good to excellent condition. The receiver was tapped for the fitting of a peep site (which I do have). Any info you can give me about this gun and its value would be appreciated.

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  • mtlenwaymtlenway Member Posts: 106 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I've inherited a model 12-16 ga take down shotgun. Serial # 910314. 2 3/4" chamber, full choke. It is in a canvas bag with leather straps.

    What is it worth?


    Thanks


    bvpe
  • mtlenwaymtlenway Member Posts: 106 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    A good friend of mine would like to know the approximate value of a Winchester Model 12 seven shot 16 ga pump.He thinks it was made around 1903.It is in excellent condition as far as I know.It belonged to his father and was handed down many years ago.Thanks
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  • mtlenwaymtlenway Member Posts: 106 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    What would be the estimated value of a Winchester Model 12 Field Grade, caliber 12/70 - 100% original condition, 90- 80% blueing left - serialnumber 17630XX

    Fluw
  • mtlenwaymtlenway Member Posts: 106 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Looking for an approximate range for the value of this gun. Thanks!

    Winchester Model 12
    S/N 385973 (mfg 1925 I believe)
    barel stamped "NICKEL STEEL - MOD. 12 - 12 GA FULL"
    Cutts compensator
    barel blue OK - receiver missing some blue on edges in addition to the normal wear by the slide handle
    small crack in the slide handle
    stock is slightly warn but in good shape - had a newer butt pad installed ~15 years ago.
  • mtlenwaymtlenway Member Posts: 106 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I have a model 12 20 gauge with full choke and serial number 1316986. How can assess its value?
    Thanks,
    Rick
  • mtlenwaymtlenway Member Posts: 106 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Winchester model 12 12ga imp cyl plain barrel...very nice shape probably 90% or better

    I can't remember anything else about it right off hand but was needing a ball park value on it.
  • Bert H.Bert H. Member Posts: 11,281 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Actually (and relatively speaking), you have a "newer" Model 12. Your gun is a standard Field grade which is different than a Heavy Duck Gun, and is much more common. The fact that the receiver was tapped significantly reduces the collector interest and value. Model 12s are common enough, that collectors are not usually interested in one that was been modified (messed with). Based on your description, you have a $250 - $300 "shooter".

    WACA Historian & Life Member

  • only winchestersonly winchesters Member Posts: 1,580 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Hello mtlenway: Well your gun is a very late 1954 gun. In 1954 the factory Vent rib field guns were know as "special field" and this was the first year for them. The rib posts were known as the "Donut Post", a round cylinder with a large round base on the barel. There will be two Proof stamps, one to the left side of the barrel rib, and one on the left side of the receiver rib ramp. (An oval with a W on top of a P). If yours is a factory vent rib, the value will be because of the rib period, the barrel and rib ramp are worth $500 on the parts market alone. Lots of Md 12s out there with an aftermarket vent rib. This usually means the entire gun has been reblued, if yours has an aftermarket rib, about #300 tops in value since the receiver has been drilled and tapped. It's worth more in parts!!

    The reason FACTORY vent rib Md 12 Ducks are worth so much is darn few were made, and they only made them from 1954-58. I looked at the Cabelas web sire, if your are talking about the Heavy Duck their item # 500926 that is a factory Donut Post Heavy Duck. You can see the Proof marks in picture 5. Is this what your rib looks like?

    Regards Dave
  • mtlenwaymtlenway Member Posts: 106 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    yes, my vent rib is the factory origin as have had it verified.
  • only winchestersonly winchesters Member Posts: 1,580 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Good morning mt: Well the fact that your receiver has been drilled and tapped, is a real killer. There are several types of "add on sights", 1( two holes are drilled on the rear half of the receiver, on the solid side, 2) 2-4 holes drilled on top of the receiver, and 3) 1 hole drilled at the rear of the receiver groove in the "semi groove part".

    Depending on how many holes and exactly where, they can be "filled" and the receiver reblued. but again it wont be original.

    I don't think anyone will say your gun is worth exactly $564.21 nobody can. Or any dollar amount. However even with it's problems, it's just not that common. If you were to list it here on GB with good pictures, showing the rib, rib ramp, the wood, it would most likely sell somewhere between $500-$750.

    However as "parts" it could go for more. I know I could sell the barrel/receiver extention and rib ramp, together for $500. A decent stock set will bring $100-$150, the mag tube/action slide assy. about $90. Receiver components, about $100, (bolt, trigger guard, cartridge cutt-off, ejector. The receiver by itself isn't worth much, or as a complete receiver, since it's been drilled & tapped.

    There are about 300 million people here in the US. you only need to find 2-3 people who don't care about the holes, and or looking for a project!! You reach more people here at GB than any other marketing venue.

    Now if you need a value for "insurance purposes", $900-$1000.

    Every day I see Md 12s for sale that have had some type of modification, sometimes I'm surprised at what people will pay for them.

    Again your gun has value in it's present condition, and more in parts. Definately a gun you can't hurt by shooting it or taking it into the field and using it.

    Regards Dave
  • badsbsnf81badsbsnf81 Member Posts: 768
    edited November -1
    As previously mentioned, the drilled holes kill it for the "pure" collector. However, many firearms had "period" modifications done (recoil pads, Cutts, etc.) that some folks don't find objectionable. My dad had the same kind of setup done on his for hunting deer with slugs. It's a shooter and depending on all the usual factors in the 500-700 range.
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