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qtiphkyqtiphky Member Posts: 8 ✭✭
edited February 2008 in Ask the Experts
I just acquired from my 80 year old uncle an "original" octagon barrel Winchester lever action rifle. The markings on the top of the barrel read "Winchester's repeating arms New Haven, CT__" the rest of the letters or numbers are unreadable. It is also dated October 16, 1860 it may also have 1866 on it, other words/numbers are also unreadable. It has a 24' barrel, flip site, mostly brass except for the barrel, lever, hammer and the trigger.

My uncle got this gun at the age of 11, while playing hide-and-seek in a bamboo patch in Hawaii, it was found wrapped in a burlap bag.

I would just like to find out more information about this rifle, and is curious of what its value might be. Thankyou

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  • qtiphkyqtiphky Member Posts: 8 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    I recently purchased an M1 carbine from a local sporting goods store. I was wondering how I would go about finding out the history of this gun. It appears to be vintage as there is a lot of wear that is evident, but the serial number stamped into the butt stock matches the one on the action. It also has some numbers painted on the stock and an "item number" kind of metal plate screwed into the buttstock. On the box it came in it says "Inland Division M1 carbines 30 cal s/a"
  • qtiphkyqtiphky Member Posts: 8 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    To anyone,
    I have a V. Bernardelli 20 gauge SxS and can't seem to find any information on this exact gun. Some close but not the same.

    It has the following markings, V. Bernardelli / S. Uberto 1 / Gardone VT (located on bottom in front of trigger guard) On the barrels, V. Bernardelli / L.L. Bean-Freeport-Maine (on left barrel), Gardone V.T. Made in Italy (on right barrel)

    Under the barrel receiver portion are the following, An Oval with a duck inside and under that the letters VBG. Also the following, 207166 (serial number), on the locking block, C.20, also Vincenzo Bernardelli-Gardone V.T.

    Under the barrels (on the barrels themselves) are the following, Right barrel, CLM / KG1.130 / 15.9; Left barrel, + + + / RAM.76 / 15.9

    Receiver is brown/blued and the barrels blued. It has intricate engraving everywhere receiver, barrels, trigger guard, forearm, etc.. Has a straight stock with a silver badge inlaid on bottom near butt plate

    This gun has a single trigger and has ejectors. Right barrel fires first then the left barrel. You can't select which barrel fires first.

    Any information you can supply would be greatly appreciated. Don't have any photos but can take some if necessary.

    Thanks, Oletrapper
  • qtiphkyqtiphky Member Posts: 8 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    I have a small .25 auto, made by Bauer Firearm Corp. I bought it as a
    CCW for the EXwife. It is actully in great shape. Can anyone tell me some info on the weapon. I have looked for the company on the web, with no luck.

    "single by deceit,parent by choice"
  • nmyersnmyers Member Posts: 16,890 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    There's no way to determine the "history" of any USGI guns, but there are some clues. First, you want to verify that it is an Inland by looking for the "Inland" stamp behind the rear sight. The maker of the barrel may or may not be behind the front sight. The serial number will tell us approximately when during WWII the gun was made.

    The serial number on the stock tells us your carbine was imported after use by a foreign country, as the US military doesn't stamp this. There will probably be an import marking somewhere on the barrel or receiver (name, city & state of the importer). Any Korean letters painted on the stock would indicate it was used by the Korean military. Or, it may have come from Italy or Israel. Photos would help.

    Neal
  • qtiphkyqtiphky Member Posts: 8 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Sorry it took me so long. Here are two pictures of the butt stock. The barrel does say Inland Mfg Div General Motors 8-46. The receiver also says Inland on it. The serial number is 796962. On the left side there is an A A U (all different fonts) and on the pistol grip there is P, other than that there are no other markings that I could find. I can't figure out how to insert the pictures, any ideas?
  • flyingtorpedoflyingtorpedo Member Posts: 1,301 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    There is a sticky at the top of the "Ask the Experts" page that tells you how to add pics.
  • 5mmgunguy5mmgunguy Member Posts: 3,092 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    I agree. Pictures would really help. Please try again to post them.
  • qtiphkyqtiphky Member Posts: 8 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Here are the pictures.


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  • 32 Magnum32 Magnum Member Posts: 820 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    qt,
    You have a carbine that was recently, within the last 6 months, released for sale by the CMP. These are Italian returns, from the Gov't of Italy to the Gov't of the USofA, so there will be no importer's markings on it. The painted marks are Italian "rack or unit markings... If I remember correctly this first batch was sold to the public for $495, and are considered rack grade. They are what they are, but have been head space checked and were field stripped, broken or worn parts replaced and then reassembled. From the one's I've seen at gunshows, they are worth all of the $495 - although there are a lot of dealers that are putting them on their tables for 700 to 900 bucks and a lot of guys walking around the shows trying to sell them to anybody for what they have in them. Some are excellent, some are real dogs - luck of the draw.
  • qtiphkyqtiphky Member Posts: 8 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Thanks,
    I've only had time to run 15 shots through so far but it worked flawlessly and seemed fairly accurate. It does appear to have seen some miles but the bore looks very clean.
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