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1864 Springfield Trapdoor

mymindisamobmymindisamob Member Posts: 4 ✭✭
edited January 2007 in Ask the Experts
Does anyone know anything about a 1864 Springfield Trapdoor and the second date on conversion is 1866. I find lots of info on dates later than this, but next to no luck on this one. It has bayonet and seems complete other than cleaning rod is missing.

Thanks for any help.
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  • MIKE WISKEYMIKE WISKEY Member Posts: 10,046 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    CALLED THE 'ALLEN' CONVERSION, .50/70 CAL.
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  • rufe-snowrufe-snow Member Posts: 18,650 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Do a GOOGLE search using 50-70 Springfield as the search term. This is just one of the links that show up.

    http://www.trapdoorcollector.com/m66.html


    It would be best to post quality photos of your rifle? If you want any input regarding originality, condition, value etc.
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  • mymindisamobmymindisamob Member Posts: 4 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Thank You! Wording in searches is everything obviously. That was very helpful, and I will post pics later.
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  • Spider7115Spider7115 Member Posts: 29,704 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by mymindisamob
    Thank You! Wording in searches is everything obviously. That was very helpful, and I will post pics later.

    Yes, proper spelling is necessary. It's ALLIN not "Allen".
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  • mymindisamobmymindisamob Member Posts: 4 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    I apologize that these pictures are so poor. My camera and my lack of room to light well don't do the weapon justice. I hope these may help in identifying this positively and maybe getting a value on it. Thanks.
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  • 1KYDSTR1KYDSTR Member Posts: 2,361 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    WOW...That is a nice 2nd Allin conversion. It may have been redone, but if so, someone REALLY knew their stuff. Is there a little retangular cartouche on the left side bolster of the stock? If so...NOT redone! It will be very sharp, but small. The 1864 lock plate and 1866 eagle head on the trap are dead give-aways. I sold one of these several years ago (in NO WHERE NEAR that kind of shape) for $700. That gun if original should be STARTING at $1000, and I would assume it to go up from there. All the shiny metal...correct for a second Allin.The trap still looks to have LOTS of black case hardening on it. WOW!!! A really great rifle that has an interesting pplace in US military history. If memory serves, these indian war era guns were used at the famous "Wagon Box" fight in the late 1860's. Congratulations!
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  • rufe-snowrufe-snow Member Posts: 18,650 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Looks very nice cosmetically. But I believe the metal parts have been cleaned, ( buffed ) sometime in the past, also the stock has been refinished. Decorator or mantle piece gun, perhaps?

    This would grade it out as being in "Good" condition, as far as the condition standards, for antique firearms are concerned.


    $400 to $600 range would be my guess.
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  • toolsforfoolstoolsforfools Member Posts: 1,285 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    I had one a long time ago.Got rounds for it from dixie gun works.First time I shot it split a small tree in two.Nice gun!!
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  • glabrayglabray Member Posts: 679 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    The 1866 Allin conversion (2nd Allin) was the first centerfire trapdoor and used the 50-70 cartridge. The 1st Allin conversion (1865) fired a 58 caliber rimfire cartridge. If it has the original barrel, an 1866 should show evidence at the muzzle of the 50-caliber liner that was brazed into the original muzzle loader barrel as part of the conversion. The later (and much more common) 1868 model used newly manufactured barrels.
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  • 1KYDSTR1KYDSTR Member Posts: 2,361 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I dunno Glabray...the liner in the one I sold was virtually undetectable?! If it has the 1866 trap legend, that cinches it though as a 2nd Allin.
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