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Mystery ammo

rholleyrholley Member Posts: 12 ✭✭
edited January 2007 in Ask the Experts
I have a few boxes of ammo that I need help identifying. Markings on box show 7,62 kiv. 284 p i. sid. Box is roughly triangular in shape when viewed from the side.

Also states Keskus V followed by what appears to be a lot number of 220345nn

This is a rimmed rifle round - some of which have a yellow tip.

Head stamp shows 09 and 35 or maybe 6.0 and 35.

I'll try to post pics.

Thanks for any and all information.

richholley@cox.net
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  • rholleyrholley Member Posts: 12 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Bought a bunch of loose ammo today from the pawn shop. Have one i think I know what it is, and another I have no true idea. First is 30cal full metal jacket bullet. At top of stamp is F, left side is NA, right side is TO, and the bottom is 73. There is a green sealer around the bullet and primmer. Am I right at guessing this is a 308. ANd the 2nd one. Bullet looks to be 25cal, and is rimfire, case is about 2.5cm long. Thanks for any help.
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  • fastcarsgofastfastcarsgofast Member Posts: 7,179
    edited November -1
    Sound like 7.62x54r. Maybe Romanian.
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  • rholleyrholley Member Posts: 12 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Don't think it's russian, I've seen that ammo and this is boxed differently. Let me try and post a pic.
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  • rufe-snowrufe-snow Member Posts: 18,650 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Those boxes seem similar to ones I've run into before. Believe it was from Finland.
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  • rholleyrholley Member Posts: 12 ✭✭
    edited November -1
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    edited November -1
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  • TeamblueTeamblue Member Posts: 782 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    That is Finnish ammo I would bet. The "kiv" after the 7,62 on the box is short for "Kiv??ri" which is the Finnish word for rifle. The word "luoti" seen on the box is the Finnish word for bullet or lead.

    There were some very good Finnish Nagants made and used to near perfection by the Finns against the Russians. Finnish snipers are legendary for their feats against the Reds in that conflict.
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  • rholleyrholley Member Posts: 12 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Thanks for the info. Think it's for the M28 or M39 or both?

    According to Wikipedia, there is a Finnish 7.62 x 53 round, which of course is slightly different than the russian 7.62 x 54.

    Unfortunately, I can't find a single metric ruler in my house.[:I]
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  • heavyironheavyiron Member Posts: 1,421 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Hi rholley,

    Very interesting box of ammo you have there.

    My interpretation of the headstamp marking may be a little different, but not necessarily correct. "60" is a factory code for the Russian State Factory at Frunze, Kirgisia, Russia. I am aware of a "29" for Finland but not an "09" or "60". Could the "09" or "60" possibly be "SO"? The "SO" should be in the 12 o'clock position on the case head.

    If it is "SO" the manufacturer is Sako A. B.,(Suojeluskuntain Ase-je Konepa ja Oy), Riihimaki, Finland, which would make sense since this box of ammo is obviously from or made for Finland.

    Teamblue has provided excellent information for the Finnish writing on the box. In addition, the "panos" on the third line from the bottom refers to powder charge weight. The "kpl" is interpreted as cartridge case, thus 15 cartridges or pieces to the box.

    The yellow tip in the Russian color code system is to designate the 172 grain lead core type "D" bullet. I don't know what the yellow color code means in the Finnish system but I would believe it the same as the Russian.

    Finally, The 7.62x53R and 7.62x54R are one and the same cartridge. The 7.62x54R is sometimes referred to as the 7.62x53R. If you are in doubt look at Lapua cartridge cases because they are all marketed under 7.62x53R.

    Regards,

    Heavyiron
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  • rholleyrholley Member Posts: 12 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Heavyiron, thanks for the information! I have 3 boxes of this ammo. A friend is cleaning out his basement, and is looking to sell this and the Carcano ammo I posted about.

    Any thoughts on the value of this ammunition? Unfortunately, I don't have any rifles that will shoot this, or I would keep it.

    Of course, I could always find a rifle to shoot it with...[;)]

    Rich
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  • jonkjonk Member Posts: 10,121
    edited November -1
    It's fairly uncommon, but not rare stuff. I would say about a buck a round, maybe $20 total for a box to a Finn collector.

    I have a few boxes and I shot a few rounds. Very inconsistant ingnition. The primers have gone south on this stuff, imho. Your milage may vary of course, but if you sell it, do so as a collector piece, not as blasting ammo.

    www.gunboards.com/forums has a WTS area that would probably be a good place to put it as it gets a LOT of Mosin fan traffic; our good old gunbroker would also be good, but doens't get the 'purely milsurp' traffic, so who knows what it woudl go for- unless you set a reserve.
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