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1911 Value

crackeramericancrackeramerican Member Posts: 6 ✭✭
edited May 2007 in Ask the Experts
What would be a ballpark value on a Colt 70 Series 1911 Govt. Model, blue and NIB. Oh yeah, chambered for 9MM.
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  • crackeramericancrackeramerican Member Posts: 6 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Can someone please help me with the Ball Park value of an old, WW1 era, 1911. The frame is stamped US Army Property. The slide has Colts Patent Firearms with patent dates of April 20 97, Spetember 9, 02, December 19, 05, February 14 11, August 19, 13.

    It has the flat mainspring housing with the lanyard loop. Wood grips with the diamond around the screw.

    The barrel and bushing have been replaced with what looks to be a Series 70 bushing and barrel.

    Serial number appears to be four didgits 48XX with two II struck later the II appears to be slightly larger and not directly in line with the four didgits.

    Thanks any help appreciated.
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  • crackeramericancrackeramerican Member Posts: 6 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    I know pictures would greatly help but I don't have any. I am asking for a friend of mine.

    He has a Military issue 1911 that was manufactured in 1918, ser# is 269257. It has almost no finish left but everything seems to be nice and tight shoots very well.

    He is just looking to get a ballpark on the value. Thanks in advance for the help.

    I am looking at the gun now. It has the double diamond grips, H P on the barrel (the H at the back and the P in front). Other markings are United States Property on the front left side of the frame, circle with JM- inside (the JM- are one mark kind of like a brand) the rearing colt is on the left side behind the slide serrations. On the right side of the slide is Model of 1911. U.S. Army and on the right side of the frame is the serial number and no other markings that I can see.

    By all outward appearances the gun is original as all of the parts that I can see appear to have the same patina and wear (I am guessing holster wear but that is just a guess as you could take what I know about these put it in a thimble and still have some room left).
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  • nmyersnmyers Member Posts: 16,892 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Without photos, can't even get in the ballpark.

    Neal
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  • perry shooterperry shooter Member Posts: 17,105 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Hello the Slide may have model 1911 ARMY but the frame should have U.S. GOVERNMENT PROPERTY with the 2 II nexet to the 4 digit serial it looks like someone tried to alter the serial number[xx(][V] without pictures "clear details " a guess would be just that a guess and any where between $200.00 - $4500.00
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  • crackeramericancrackeramerican Member Posts: 6 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    See if these pictures will work. Can't seem to make the flash work.

    DSC02653.jpg


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    DSC02651-1.jpg
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  • nmyersnmyers Member Posts: 16,892 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I think what you are calling "II" is just "11", the last 2 digits of the serial number. I can't tell from the photos if it was originally stamped that way, or if the "11" was restamped when the gun was refinished.

    I would expect it to sell in the $500-600 range.

    Neal
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  • JackiePapersJackiePapers Member Posts: 544 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Colt 1911 SN range for 1918 is 223,601 thru 594,000... Assuming your SN is "496,811" but the "11" part looks a little odd.

    If the SN is "4968" then it was made in 1912 but it would have been made for the Navy.

    This from R.L. Wilson's "Colt's Dates of Manufacture"

    Pictures aren't too bad, actually. [:D]
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  • crackeramericancrackeramerican Member Posts: 6 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    I really thank ya'll for the help, I know a tad about some firearms but only how to shoot the 1911.

    If it was made in 1912 would it still have a patent date of August 1913? That said the II marks really look added so to speak.
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  • perry shooterperry shooter Member Posts: 17,105 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Interesting pistol the picture of the left side shows a SPRINGFIELD EAGLE head inspectors stamp just above the magazine release but the serial number range does not start with a 4 If it is a springfield. A colt should have and inspectors mark in the shape of a circle with 3 letters incorporated in the circle. if the serial is 4 digits it would be as the other poster stated be a 1912 pistol if 5 digits with just one I then it would be a 1913 pistol and if two II it would be 1918 It would be interesting to have the slide off and see what proof / inspector marks are on the frame near the disconnecter hole and also on the slide rear around the fireing pin retainer. Regardless this is a shooter not a collector grade pistol .IMHO $400.00 + or - $50.00
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  • knightriderknightrider Member Posts: 450 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Heck, I'd take it. It's a gun with history and would be good in a collection and even to take it shooting. Good find
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