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FFL question

neacpaneacpa Member Posts: 2,711 ✭✭✭
edited May 2007 in Ask the Experts
What are the current fees associated with getting an FFL-01? Just toying with the idea. Thanks
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  • neacpaneacpa Member Posts: 2,711 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I was just wondering how many guns can you legally buy and sell a year without having an FFL.
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  • neacpaneacpa Member Posts: 2,711 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I am considering getting my FFL. Are the kits that are out there worth it?
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  • neacpaneacpa Member Posts: 2,711 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    If you possess your own FFL, can you legally purchase a long gun from an individual without logging it into your books? I am looking to purchase one for my own collection and use
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  • neacpaneacpa Member Posts: 2,711 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    If you purchase a gun off gunbroker.com and the seller has an FFL and ships the gun to another state. Since the gun was purchased and paid for in another state, does the receiving FFL Dealer have to collect a state sales tax for the gun being shipped to his state?
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  • neacpaneacpa Member Posts: 2,711 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    when shipping a longarm to a ffl do you need a signed and dated copy of license or just the number?
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  • neacpaneacpa Member Posts: 2,711 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    TO OBTAIN A FFL , DO YOU HAVE TO HAVE A PLACE OF BUISNESS OR A STORE{SHOP}? OR CAN YOU JUST DO BUISNESS AT GUN SHOWS AND ON THE WEB? CURIUOS!
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  • neacpaneacpa Member Posts: 2,711 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Is there a federal regulation that a private party must send a copy of their valid photo ID (drivers license) with a mailed firearm when shipping the gun to an out of state FFL? This is during the completion of a Gunbroker auction/sale ? If there is, could you please identify the correct regulation number (or copy it to this thread) so I can be in complete compliance?

    Thanks...
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  • neacpaneacpa Member Posts: 2,711 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    sold gun on G B and shiped to purchaser"s dealer. got a call from dealer saying i did not include my ffl # told them i am not a dealer , but sent gun to them for proper transfer. they said guns must ship from dealer to dealer. are they correct? if so i have sent many guns to dealers and never a problem. but do i have a problem now?
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  • neacpaneacpa Member Posts: 2,711 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    a freind comes to wisconsin every year from california
    for deer season and flies with his gun.
    This year airline charged him $70.00 1 way for an extra pc. of luggage.
    Rather than pay an another $70.00 on return, he took the bolt and magazine with him and I shipped the rifle back to him
    Since he is the lawful owner, is it legal for me to return to him in this manner

    Thanks
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  • neacpaneacpa Member Posts: 2,711 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I am trying to sell a RRA LAR-15 right now. I have a guy willing to pay the price but he is across the state line. I am in Utah and he is in Idaho. Do I need to go through an FFL to sell this to him over the state line? Or only if I ship it? If I drive the 3 hours up to his city and sell it to him face to face is that illegal?

    TIA
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  • neacpaneacpa Member Posts: 2,711 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    This may or may not be the right place to ask this..so moderators please move this if I'm incorrect. I'm looking into getting a FFL C&R but I've been searching all over the web trying to find a clear answer. My question is...if I were to obtain an FFL C&R...what weapons am I allowed to obtain with this license...and more importantly what weapons am I NOT allowed to obtain. I'm an avid collector of WWII firearms, but I'd also like to get a little bit more modern full auto firearms as well. What stance does the government have on C&R holders obtaining full autos? Can you not obtain ANY full auto? Are you limited to full autos past the 50yr mark? Or can you obtain any full auto?

    Thanks in advance!
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  • neacpaneacpa Member Posts: 2,711 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Scenario: A person over time has acquired and owns 50 guns. That person then applies for and receives a FFL. I know that he/she must keep the personal guns separate from the "FFL guns". But what if the person sells some of the 50 guns he owned prior to obtaining the FFL? Does he have to log them into his book and then sell them? Or does he simply sell them without doing the paperwork?
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  • neacpaneacpa Member Posts: 2,711 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I just recently got my FFL, and was wondering the best way to find a supplier(s) [ for firearms ] that is reliable and trustworthy...any thoughts ? thanks in advance for your help.
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  • neacpaneacpa Member Posts: 2,711 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I know that you have to have a copy of an out of state FFL before you can ship a gun to him. But how do I prove this to a friend who just knows that anybody can ship to an FFL? Which is the regulation that spells it out that the FFL must be in hand before you ship? I couldn't find the particular regulation or law on the ATF Website. Or is this just under the heading of common sense, as in so you know you are shipping to an actual FFL? Instead of just a voice on the telephone claiming to be an FFL. I'm serious, this question just came up for the first time as I always knew you had to have the FFLin hand and it's frustrating not to be able to sight the actual regulation. Thanks for the help.
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  • neacpaneacpa Member Posts: 2,711 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I ordered a firearm and am having it sent to a FFL dealer in the town I live in. However,the seller, FAC, does not have the firearm in stock and may not for a month yet. By that time I may be living in another state. Can the FFL dealer still transfer the firearm to me if I am living in a different state when he receives it (assuming I go there and pick it up?) Thanks.
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  • neacpaneacpa Member Posts: 2,711 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Okay, help me out guys (and gals)!

    Here is the deal. I like to collect WWII firearms. (M1 Garands, Carbines, Mausers, Arisakas etc.) I live in PA in the good old
    US of A!
    I would like to get a Thompson and a Grease gun, vintage full auto for my collection. I KNOW THAT THEY ARE EXPENSIVE, but that is not an issue. I already have a PA concealed carry permit (not that it matters, just tells you i am totally clean) I am not interested in reselling, just buying. What federal permits will i need to apply for in order to legally obtain these? I do want them 100% working not semi auto conversions!

    Thanks for your help!
    PJ
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  • neacpaneacpa Member Posts: 2,711 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    CAN A PERSON GET AN FFL FOR A HOMEBASE BUSINESS? EVERYONE KEEPS
    TELLING ME I HAVE TO HAVE A STORE FRONT? I AM IN THE PROCESS OF
    STARTING A SMALL AMMO SHOP IN MY GARAGE. I HAVE APPLIED FOR A RETAIL
    SALES LICENSE'S AND OCCUPATIONAL LICENSE'S ALSO. THERE ARE NO ZONING
    LAWS IN MY STATE OR COUNTY WHICH PREVENT ME FROM DOING THIS, BUT I WAS WONDERING IF THE ATF WOULD GRANT ME AN FFL? DOES ANYBODY KNOW.THANKS!!
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  • neacpaneacpa Member Posts: 2,711 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    If I sell a rifle. I have to send it to a FFL holder. If the FFL doesnt accept from an individual I will have to go thru a dealer. What kind of paperwork do I have to have? Do I need a ink signed copy of their FFL or can a faxed copy do? Do I even need paperwork if I go thru a ffl?


    Thanks
    dgac
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  • neacpaneacpa Member Posts: 2,711 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    if I buy a receiver made after 1892 what does an FFL do with my info. Could I be rejected for some reason due to past history or area where I live. Just asking cause I never bought a receiver made after 1899.
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  • neacpaneacpa Member Posts: 2,711 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Can someone tell me how long it usually takes to recieve you ffl once you send it in?
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  • neacpaneacpa Member Posts: 2,711 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I have asked this question before but didn't get much of a reply. I have just sent in my FFL application to the ATF. I was wondering about how long it takes for them to process it and issue the license. I know since 9/11 it will probably take longer but if someone could just give me a time frame it took to get theirs i would appeciate it. Thanks.
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  • neacpaneacpa Member Posts: 2,711 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    1)Can a non-FFL holding person ship a pistol to a gunsmith?

    2)Can it be shipped instate, interstate?

    3)If a non-FFL holding person is allowed to ship a gun/pistol to a gunsmith how is the Non-FFL person allowed to ship pistols? USPS, UPS, Fedex? Must they use the services of a FFL holder?

    Thanks in advance.
    Dean
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  • neacpaneacpa Member Posts: 2,711 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    If I have several guns, hand and long, shipped to my FFL guy, other than the $25 transfer fee per firearm, and I go there once when he has them all, I'm assuming he'll charge me only for one single background check fee? Is this correct?
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  • neacpaneacpa Member Posts: 2,711 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I recently posted on here about problems with my EAA Baikal. Well, I e-mailed them, and they said I could send it to them and they would fix it and send it back, with the only cost to me the one way shipping. My question is, do I have to take it to a FFL holder to ship it and have it shipped back to? Or is this only for buying/selling. I would think I still have to take it to an FFL holder, but if I dont have to, I wont. Thanks!

    shoey
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  • neacpaneacpa Member Posts: 2,711 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    HI guys,
    several days ago i posted a question inquiring about a c&r license. I received several good suggestions. I'm thinking about going ahead and getting a dealers license. i want to be able to buy and sell guns on Gunbroker without having to run everything through a local pawn shop. Can i run a business strictly on the internet or do i actually need a shop for people to come into?
    Thanks,
    Sherwin
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  • neacpaneacpa Member Posts: 2,711 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    guy I work with has his ffl and was willing to receive a shotgun I am thinking of buying. He says $10 and tax, I know the $10 is a good deal but since when do they have to collect sales tax. the gun is comming from iowa to wva, is he correct?
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  • 41 nut41 nut Member Posts: 3,016
    edited November -1
    If you are an 01 FFL holder you only have to enter personal guns in your log book if your business is in your home. If your business is in a seperate building and there is no access directly into the home then you are not required to enter them in your bound book. Any firearms you sell and are delivered prior to the date on the FFL do not go in the bound book. I would suggest that you keep a seperate bound book for any personal firearms should you go into business and obtain a FFL.
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  • duckhunterduckhunter Member Posts: 7,687 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Use two different books.
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  • gotstolefromgotstolefrom Member Posts: 1,479 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Some C&R folks have said " why not enter them into your bound book, they are part of your 'collection' ? "

    Think about it for 5 seconds.
    KEEP TWO BOOKS
    One personal 'unlicensed and private collection' , the other to follow all the C&R specifications.
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  • TaiChiTaiChi Member Posts: 179 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    As you sell each personal gun enter it into your FFL bound book and log it out as usual. This will keep it all legal and will add to your yearly sales numbers. If you do not sell enough guns (????) each year they may question your need for an FFL.
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  • nmyersnmyers Member Posts: 16,892 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Think about what you said.

    If he sells any guns prior to obtaining his FFL, he won't have a book to enter them in.

    Neal
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  • HerschelHerschel Member Posts: 2,035 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    41 Nut, I don't doubt your post but would you please cite the BATFE regulation that covers that. I just have never heard the extra requirement for those ffl dealers who live in their place of business. This point is covered on page 182 of the 2005 edition of the Federal Firearms Regulations Reference Guide but it doesn't mention personally owned guns being included in the bound book, exce[t they must be listed in a "bound book" when they are sold from the personal collection.
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  • MooseyardMooseyard Member Posts: 2,541 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Neal, You didn't quote him properly. What he wrote made sense, but it is a little misleading. He is talking about the guns that he owned prior to getting his FFL. Not selling the guns prior to getting his FFL.
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  • 41 nut41 nut Member Posts: 3,016
    edited November -1
    Herschel, I will have to look it up as I don't remember offhand which regulation covers it. I do know that I was told by an ATF agent conducting an inspection a number of years ago (I've been a FFL with a shop in my basement for 30 years) that ATF considers any firearm on the premise to be a part of the business, including personal firearms kept in a different part of the house away from the business. And that they must be included in a bound book. He showed me a regulation that backed him up and I do not now remember just which one it was.

    Mooseyard, I agree with Neal because of this question that the original poster asked. "But what if the person sells some of the 50 guns he owned prior to obtaining the FFL?" The way the question is worded makes me believe that he is asking about selling some the the 50 firearms prior to receiving his FFL.
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  • neacpaneacpa Member Posts: 2,711 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Sorry guys if I didn't clearly word my question. I meant, once the person had his FFL, what would the he/she do with the guns that were already owned prior to getting his FFL if he/she decided to sell one.

    In regards to working out of home versus having a storefront, a friend of mine (FFL working out of home) that an ATF agent (on an inspection this past Monday) told him that either the personal guns had to be kept completely separate from the "FFL guns" or have hang tags on them stating "personal gun". He made no mention of having to be kept in a separate building.

    Thanks for the info.
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  • jbw1776jbw1776 Member Posts: 3,056
    edited November -1
    Was also told by an agent (never bothered to look it up) that they could be together but personal firearms must be tagged.

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    Ben
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