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Bad Factory Ammo?
gunpaq
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Shooting new Winchester 44 mags in my Vaquero and whammo!!!!!!!!
After 14 shots the 15TH gave wallop of a recoil. The case had to be forceably extracted. The case was bulged and split. No apparent damgae to the cylinder but Ruger is inspecting to be on safe side.
Winchester says they are not responsible for their products used in an uncontrolled environment and their ammo does not misfire.
Any recourse or just screwed?
After 14 shots the 15TH gave wallop of a recoil. The case had to be forceably extracted. The case was bulged and split. No apparent damgae to the cylinder but Ruger is inspecting to be on safe side.
Winchester says they are not responsible for their products used in an uncontrolled environment and their ammo does not misfire.
Any recourse or just screwed?
Comments
Whoever said that is lying or misinformed. I had to take an entire order of Winchester shotgun shells out of service, when several examples failed on the range. All rounds fired, but some were very weak, not having enough power to knock over a steel plate at 10 yards. A few were so weak that the pellets fell to the ground before they got to the target.
The shells were Winchester's first attempt at making a "low-recoil" load, and they did admit that a lot of PDs had complaints about them. They ended up sending us a few cases of shells to make it up.
We got a defective Remington .40 S&W round, with no flash hole in thhe primer pocket. Fortunately, the round was fired on the range and not at a bad guy. The primer was forced out of the pocket and tied the gun up, but good. We had to insert a cleaning rod down the barrel and hit it with a mallet to get the action open.
Remington sent us some ammo and caps as an an apology.
then its a lost cause to try and do AnyThing about it !!!! I would recontact winchester as well as other needed parties and at least Not just blow this off , you will not receive any thing in return but at least you know that the persons needed have been properly notified !
Good Luck !!!
d.a.stearns
Gunsmith
Niota , Tn
then its a lost cause to try and do AnyThing about it !!!! I would recontact winchester as well as other needed parties and at least Not just blow this off , you will not receive any thing in return but at least you know that the persons needed have been properly notified !
Good Luck !!!
d.a.stearns
Gunsmith
Niota , Tn
Winchester just blew me off as though I was trying to get something over on them. No one was injured and there was no visual damage to my firearm and I simply wanted to report the incident for safety sake as now a once loyal customer. I was quite taken back as they did not inquire about specifics, lot numbers, etc., nor did they take the information when I offered it. I would think they would be proactive at least and want tocheck their quality control or to see if there had been any other incidents like this to prevent any loss in the future. maybe they will pay attention when their new factory ammunition injurs or kills someone when it blows up in their face.
I had Super X 12 gauge ammo hang fire
They are so full of poop. This is why I try not to use Winchester products. I went to Estate and Kent for my 12GA, and Seller and Belloit or Fiochhi for my handguns and rifles.
I'm generally a big fan of Winchester ammo and the episode in question didn't change my overall opinion. However, I'd bet a paycheck the customer service rep's caution was due to legal issues and, if a company smells law suit, they'll communicate as little as possible. I suppose even sending a "we're sorry" note or a "thank you" card might admit liability. Dang the folks who sue at the drop of a hat; dang the lawyers always looking to override common sense and go for the dudes with deep pockets. We all lose in the end.
I don't actively go looking for handouts, however a fairly good-sized or larger, well-known organization, in my opinion, is duty-bound to issue a personal communication and not some form-letter crap, the sole intent being to deny liability! They should also at least include some little inexpensive advertising thingie as a thank-you. Especially so when someone has obviously expended some considerable effort to bring a quality or safety concern regarding one of their products it to their attention.
Today, companies/corporations don't give a rat's * about developing customer good will. Their whole thing is to develop good relations and large sales contracts with their large distributers and government entities and put as much distance between themselves and their end-users/consumers as possible. Their "Customer Service" or "Customer Relations" departments are nothing more than first-responder damage control operations.
The way GUNPAQ was treated by Winchester is the way McDonald's treated that lady a number of years ago who burned herself on their super-heated, 180 degree F coffee. That behavior is precisely the real reason she pursued litigation against them.
For GOD and COUNTRY
Vet