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7.62 ammo

tadlwdtadlwd Member Posts: 18 ✭✭
edited January 2007 in Ask the Experts
I came across some different ammo and I need help to find out what it is used for. The head stamp reads like this GEVELOT 7.62 MOD.49. The ammo has a black ring at the bottom of the bullet just ahead of the case. Thanks, Tony

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  • tadlwdtadlwd Member Posts: 18 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Any recommendations for a good, non-corresive 7.62 ammo? and vendor?
  • iwannausernameiwannausername Member Posts: 7,131
    edited November -1
    falfiles.com has a good reference on headstamps for 762nato...
  • heavyironheavyiron Member Posts: 1,421 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Hi,

    I believe what you have is a French made 30-06 cartridge.

    My initial thought was that this cartridge was a 7.62x51 Nato round. I really think what you have is a 7.62x63 round (metric equivalent of the 30-06) made by Gevelot. Gevelot or G?velot S. A., (Soci?t? Fran?aise des Munitions), Paris, France is a French ammunition company that has been in business for many years. The headstamp should look like the one in the photo below. (By the way, the below photo came from a 30-06 collection.)

    GevelotHeadstamp.jpg

    From what I have been able to determine there was a quantity of this ammo that was sold as surplus in the US in the late 80's.

    The black colored band just above the case mouth is confusing because the French military used a color code system where the bullet tip -not the bullet bottom- was colored to identify the function type. My best guess is this is either a ball or AP loading.

    I hope this helps.

    Heavyiron
  • rufe-snowrufe-snow Member Posts: 18,650 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    "GEVELOT" is/was? a French munitions manufacturer. The meaning of "MOD. 49" is a questionable? Doesn't seem to be the correct marking for 7.62 x 51( .308 ) ammo.

    My understanding is that the FROGS were given various U.S. rifles, machine guns and other small arms after W W II. Could it be possible that the cartridge is a 30-06, rather then a 7.62 x 51?

    As the French wouldn't have used the 7.62 x 51 prior to the mid 50's, they wouldn't have headstamped their earlier manufactured 30-06 ammo other then "7.62".
  • tadlwdtadlwd Member Posts: 18 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Heayiron, The head stamp you put up is right on target!! I do think it is a metric 30-06 because if compaired side by side they look the same. Thanks Tonyquote:Originally posted by heavyiron
    Hi,

    I believe what you have is a French made 30-06 cartridge.

    My initial thought was that this cartridge was a 7.62x51 Nato round. I really think what you have is a 7.62x63 round (metric equivalent of the 30-06) made by Gevelot. Gevelot or G?velot S. A., (Soci?t? Fran?aise des Munitions), Paris, France is a French ammunition company that has been in business for many years. The headstamp should look like the one in the photo below. (By the way, the below photo came from a 30-06 collection.)

    GevelotHeadstamp.jpg

    From what I have been able to determine there was a quantity of this ammo that was sold as surplus in the US in the late 80's.

    The black colored band just above the case mouth is confusing because the French military used a color code system where the bullet tip -not the bullet bottom- was colored to identify the function type. My best guess is this is either a ball or AP loading.

    I hope this helps.

    Heavyiron
  • IconoclastIconoclast Member Posts: 10,515 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Prior to the adoption of the 7.62x51 as the official NATO round, the .30-06 was widely used in Europe - and even the amber amphibians of paris were loading it. It could be argued it was the de facto Western Allies / NATO standard loading for much of the period between WW2 and the adoption of the 7.62x51.

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