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Mannlicher-Schoenauer rifle

TWalkerTWalker Member Posts: 2,372 ✭✭✭✭✭
edited January 2007 in Ask the Experts
First how do you pronounce Schoenauer? I saw this rifle in a pawn shop today right after it came out for sale. It has a Griffith and Howe side mount and an old Bushnell scope with a post reticle. Caliber is 30-06. On the receiver I could barely make out(scope in the way) 1952 and Austria. Tomorrow or Saturday I'll see if they'll let me take the scope off and clean the barrel. The bolt is a butter-knife type and there is a double set trigger. Condition is about 85-90% due to a few light scratches and dings, and small spots of rust. The stock is a sporter type with nice walnut, well done hand checkering, and a black forend tip. If the barrel is OK I may buy it if it is still there tomorrow or Saturday. The price of $500 seems very good to me. Any information on this rifle is appreciated. Thank you for any replies.
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  • v35v35 Member Posts: 12,710 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Grab it.
    Purists wont like the G&H scope mount but it has value to Garand owners if you want to sell the mount.
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  • dfletcherdfletcher Member Posts: 8,179 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    That's a great price for a commercial MS - maybe some won't like the G & H mount as authentic, but I like as functional. Assuming it's a detacheable the mount alone is about $150.00.

    The split receiver bridge required a special mount with the rear base placed to the left rear.

    My German's a bit rusty, but you could go with "Schern - hower" or "Show - nower". I go with the 1st.

    A nice MS has always been my "gonna buy next" rifle if I find a full stocked one in 6.5 for $1,000.00 or less.
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  • 1KYDSTR1KYDSTR Member Posts: 2,361 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    TWalker: Surely a nice price for a M-S. They are wonderfully smooth in operation and the 6.5x54 is a wonderful round, but the 30-06 will likely make it more attractive to most US buyers. I don't have my books to hand at the moment, but check on that black fore-end tip...the M-S were ussually a Schnabel or Mannlicher stocked rifle. Congrats! Hope you get it.
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  • PA ShootistPA Shootist Member Posts: 694 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I would say run, don't walk, to the store and buy that Mannlicher-Schoenauer rifle. They are very finely made. During the fifties and sixties the Mannlicher-Schoenauer was available as a "Rifle Model" with 22 inch barrel and a black fore-end tip to the forestock, or as a "Carbine Model" with a full-length stock and shorter barrel. Also provision was made for domestic side mounts like the Griffin & Howe; a "dummy" plate was removable from the receiver on the left side, allowing installation of the side mount without modifying the receiver (no grinding, no filing, and a flat surface was offered parallel to the bore). The Griffin & Howe mount was quick-detachable and readily returned to zero. And no drilling and tapping was required on the receiver. They are worth a bit themselves.
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  • RCrosbyRCrosby Member Posts: 3,808 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Sounds like the twin to my .270 MS. It's the rifle, not carbine version usually associated with the MS. I've seen fewer of these rifle versions than the more common carbine, but the black foreend tip is correct. As already stated, they are one of the smoothest, most beautifully build rifles you'll ever encounter. Only down side for me is that when a primer blew on I discovered that the gas came straight back into my face. God bless the shooting glasses.
    Does sound like a great price.
    Good luck.
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  • Wehrmacht_45Wehrmacht_45 Member Posts: 3,377
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by TWalker
    First how do you pronounce Schoenauer? I saw this rifle in a pawn shop today right after it came out for sale. It has a Griffith and Howe side mount and an old Bushnell scope with a post reticle. Caliber is 30-06. On the receiver I could barely make out(scope in the way) 1952 and Austria. Tomorrow or Saturday I'll see if they'll let me take the scope off and clean the barrel. The bolt is a butter-knife type and there is a double set trigger. Condition is about 85-90% due to a few light scratches and dings, and small spots of rust. The stock is a sporter type with nice walnut, well done hand checkering, and a black forend tip. If the barrel is OK I may buy it if it is still there tomorrow or Saturday. The price of $500 seems very good to me. Any information on this rifle is appreciated. Thank you for any replies.



    In its orignal German its spelled Mannlicher- SchA?nauer. Since English does not have the umlaut over vowels like us Krauts do, it is angliciyed to teh speling zou are familiar with. Its pronounced properlz as "Man Licker- Shoon ower"
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  • TWalkerTWalker Member Posts: 2,372 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I was at the store when it opened this morning. I went over the rifle really well. The owner of the shop let me take the scope off, clean the bore, remove the bolt, dryfire both triggers, etc. I made an error yesterday. The scope mount isn't a Griffith and Howe, it is a Jaeger. By working one lever the mount and scope slide off the side rail. The bore was bright after I ran 2 oiled patches down it. The receiver is marked Model of 1952 Improved, 3006 Caliber, Made in Austria and I believe Mannlicher-Shoenaur. The magazine is a rotary style and there is a military style sling and a black forend tip as I reported yesterday. The scope is a Bushnell Scopechief with a heavy post that can be flipped up or down. The rear sight is a 2 blade express type, one blade fixed and one is folding. $500 was the best I could do on price. He was firm as the rifle had been in his rack less than 24 hours. I paid half today and will pick it up later this month when I pay the balance. I put it in a nice padded gun case and there it waits. Thanks for your replies and your encouragement to buy this fine rifle. I have a Burris Signature 3-9x40 scope I think I'll use instead of the Bushnell, but other than a good cleaning, it looks like it's ready to shoot.
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  • v35v35 Member Posts: 12,710 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Lucky Boy.
    If I get a steal like that. I'll take a critical part home to "check it out".
    For instance I took a pair of ivory grips off an S&W that was underpriced after paying for the gun and not picking it up for a while.
    Taking the bolt home to check it out mightn't be a bad idea if you can. It happened to me once that my gun was "accidently" resold.
    It took some undoing to get it back.
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  • TWalkerTWalker Member Posts: 2,372 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I took the rifle home tonight. I am very pleased with it. I think I am going to clean it well, refinish the stock (no sanding), add a Burris scope, and keep it as a shooter. What can you tell me about the Jaeger mounts? How do they compare to Griffith and Howe? Thanks again for your replies.
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  • v35v35 Member Posts: 12,710 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    If you haven't refinished a checkered stock before get some advice on handling the checkered areas.
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