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Muzzle loading firearms

GeriGeri Member Posts: 2,102 ✭✭✭
edited January 2007 in Ask the Experts
I just had the owner of a pawn shope tell me that all muzzle loading firearms required a NICS ck. before selling. I son't remember any directive in the information I received from the ATF. Is this true, or is it a local city/county ordanace? Thanks.
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  • allen griggsallen griggs Member Posts: 35,692 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Not true by federal law.
    Some local jurisdictions may require it. New Jersey is very restrictive on muzzleloaders, also Illinois and Wash. DC.
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  • GeriGeri Member Posts: 2,102 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Thanks. Would there be a difference in the traditional percussion cap and the inline that use the 209 primers? Said that the directive came out last Nov. I just don't remember anything about that.
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  • leeblackmanleeblackman Member Posts: 5,303 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    The difference is if it fires from a self contained cartridge or not. Doesn't matter the primer.
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  • oldgunneroldgunner Member Posts: 2,466 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Nope, no difference. If you're in a "civilized" state, either can be shipped to your home. They are NOT considered to be firearms and are not treated as firearms, as long as they are loaded from the muzzle.

    If you live in NY, Ca, or NJ, or some of them wild * sick places..well. ya on your own. I suggest you move to Florida or Texas...
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  • leeblackmanleeblackman Member Posts: 5,303 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Sometimes, especially with some department stores, they have instore policies and poorly trained staff, and they treat blackpowder guns as firearms and run all the background checks and put serial numbers in their books like idiots, then can't find it in their book from when they bought it, and get all confused and it takes like two managers who have no clue whats going on to figure it out and you spend 30 minutes trying to buy a blackpowder muzzleloader..... Um, am I venting from prior experiences.....sorry...

    Most of the time you can mailorder a blackpowder gun from stores such as cabela's, and not only get a better price, but don't have all the hassle, just make sure to check your state and local laws before doing so.
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  • TWalkerTWalker Member Posts: 2,372 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    TC Encores and NEF/H&R Huntsman muzzleloaders must be sold as modern firearms because they accept modern rifle and shotgun barrels.
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  • GeriGeri Member Posts: 2,102 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Thanks all. Ck out ATF.gov and the feb. 2005 newsletter, page 2 and three. This explains it quite well. Took some time to find it. Thanks again everyone.
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  • agostinoagostino Member Posts: 414 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    As an FFL holder, I was notified by ATF that muzzleloaders with 209 primers were considered modern firearms and required a background check on transfer. I don't recall their changing that position, although it's ridiculous. The notification was by letter to dealers.
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  • 11b6r11b6r Member Posts: 16,584 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Agostino- It was changed, it was in a subsequent newsletter. As long as you cannot swap the barrel out to one that uses cartridges, and as long as it loads from the front end, whether it uses 209's or flint makes no difference. It is not a firearm under federal law.
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